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Krinadon
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:06 AM Post #61
Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=105585&page=6#60
Author: Mccauley1
Time Posted: 3/24/2023 at 9:57 AM
Thank you for trying to be as transparent as possible with this. The harassment and risk of doxing is more than enough reason to ban these players. My well wishes go out to Krin and Faiona, and anyone else impacted by this.

While I understand the economic concerns, I am worried about what kind of precedent this might set and the paranoia it might inspire in players. I've always kept my breeding prices low, even for my rarer pets, and I'm pretty likely to sell my offspring for low prices, just to be nice/helpful, or just because I don't have room in my stables for them. I don't want to be afraid of selling for too low of prices, and I don't want other people afraid of buying from me because I don't have high prices. I feel like this is going to have long reaching effects on the attitudes of players toward giveaways, kindness, and setting their own prices.

I would potentially recommend making an edit to the original post specifying where you got the discord messages from, since that definitely unsettled me until I read further into the comments.


Thank you for the suggestion. I have gone ahead and added a snippet to the original post.
Theentirelegend
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:08 AM Post #62
Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=105585&page=6#57
Author: Krinadon
Time Posted: 3/24/2023 at 9:30 AM
[quote=2699001]

As mentioned in an earlier reply, the timestamps of the messages were only removed to hide the time that the screenshots were taken. This was to protect the identities of those who provided the screenshots. All of the screenshots in my post were from conversations since January.

Regarding context, Faiona and I had access to the full conversations. For obvious reasons, I was not going to dump thousands of Discord messages into this thread for an official announcement for Sylestia. Therefore, I only showed some of the key parts of the messages. You are of course entirely free to take that as you will. We are only doing this for transparency purposes as we feel it will yield a benefit to the community as a whole. If you do not believe us, that is fine and you are perfectly entitled to that opinion.

Regarding the removed post, it was posted by a banned playing using a secondary account. In addition to their message, it is strictly against the rules for a player to have multiple accounts - especially a banned player. For obvious reasons, this account was banned and their post was removed.

Regarding privacy, we attempted this back in December. We sent out a mass PM to a couple dozen players regarding concerning conduct and regarding the banned players from December. This unfortunately did not stop their actions, as they only have doubled down since then. Therefore, we were forced to take more drastic actions this time around.


I guess I just don't understand how censoring timestamps protects anyone's identity? I'm sorry, but it comes across as shady no matter how I look at it.

I do appreciate the context behind the removed post- but it does raise another issue for me, because this is all coming out very one-sided, as the banned players have no chance to speak for themselves, provide context that is missing, etc etc. Once again I just feel like it could have all been handled in private - the "more drastic measures" you are referring to could have simply been the bans, or if absolutely necessary a post saying "some people have been removed" and no further details. I'm not sure why you've felt the need to "call-out" and drag people through the mud over this. Especially after they've already been kicked off your site. You've ensured they can't continue what's made you this upset, so why are we even still talking about it? Honestly, it feels like bullying... I'm not sure how this is any better than what you're accusing these players of doing to you. A bit of self-reflection might be due on top of everything else, imo
Krinadon
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:19 AM Post #63
Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=105585&page=7#62
Author: Theentirelegend
Time Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:08 AM
[quote=2699005]

I guess I just don't understand how censoring timestamps protects anyone's identity? I'm sorry, but it comes across as shady no matter how I look at it.

I do appreciate the context behind the removed post- but it does raise another issue for me, because this is all coming out very one-sided, as the banned players have no chance to speak for themselves, provide context that is missing, etc etc. Once again I just feel like it could have all been handled in private - the "more drastic measures" you are referring to could have simply been the bans, or if absolutely necessary a post saying "some people have been removed" and no further details. I'm not sure why you've felt the need to "call-out" and drag people through the mud over this. Especially after they've already been kicked off your site. You've ensured they can't continue what's made you this upset, so why are we even still talking about it? Honestly, it feels like bullying... I'm not sure how this is any better than what you're accusing these players of doing to you. A bit of self-reflection might be due on top of everything else, imo


The reason that we decided to take this public is that the banned players were contacting a ton of the Sylestia player base and trying to get them to talk off-site about everything and get them to 'join their side'. Without taking this public via an announcement, we had no voice and everything was literally one sided.

At least by making this public, players can now make their own decisions. However, I imagine that yes, if you were not one of the ones being pulled into that crowd, you are probably wondering what this is all about.

Nonetheless, though, I still would prefer to be open and transparent about our decisions here and why - even for those completely uninvolved. We do not ban lightly. This the largest ban wave we have ever initiated by a mile. Honestly, we probably banned more people this week than literally the previous 10 years combined (excluding bots, trolls, and multiple accounts). I feel that's a pretty significant topic that's relevant to the entire player base just so that we can make sure everyone can understand our reasoning behind the decisions. Without context, one's imagination tends to run wild.
Neytiri875
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:24 AM Post #64
You do realize said pm is the reason they were mad and making bad crash the economy jokes eight? I have now seen its entirety and I see the humor. Players that actually did it. Sure ban. Ones who talked about it but didn't do it and were actually joking. You took it too far and removed legit thousands of pets from the gene pool.
Theentirelegend
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:26 AM Post #65
Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=105585&page=7#63
Author: Krinadon
Time Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:19 AM
[quote=2699010]

The reason that we decided to take this public is that the banned players were contacting a ton of the Sylestia player base and trying to get them to talk off-site about everything and get them to 'join their side'. Without taking this public via an announcement, we had no voice and everything was literally one sided.

At least by making this public, players can now make their own decisions. However, I imagine that yes, if you were not one of the ones being pulled into that crowd, you are probably wondering what this is all about.

Nonetheless, though, I still would prefer to be open and transparent about our decisions here and why - even for those completely uninvolved. We do not ban lightly. This the largest ban wave we have ever initiated by a mile. Honestly, we probably banned more people this week than literally the previous 10 years combined (excluding bots, trolls, and multiple accounts). I feel that's a pretty significant topic that's relevant to the entire player base just so that we can make sure everyone can understand our reasoning behind the decisions. Without context, one's imagination tends to run wild.


I don't think anything you've said here has in any way negated or even challenged my point that you didn't need to post non-timestamped, technically non-verified screenshots and slander some of your historically top tier players in order to get your message across....

ETA: messed up the quote code the first time
Edited By Theentirelegend on 3/24/2023 at 10:27 AM.
Krinadon
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:33 AM Post #66
Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=105585&page=7#65
Author: Theentirelegend
Time Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:26 AM
[quote=2699011]

I don't think anything you've said here has in any way negated or even challenged my point that you didn't need to post non-timestamped, technically non-verified screenshots and slander some of your historically top tier players in order to get your message across....

ETA: messed up the quote code the first time


Showing the timestamp can show when the screenshots were taken. This information could be used to cross reference who was in the channel at the time the screenshots were taken. Those who provided us with the screenshots also requested that we removed the timestamps (for this reason). Therefore, we complied and removed the timestamps.

I am pretty sure all of the messages are clumped together with consecutive messages. I did this myself. If there's a space between a block of messages, it was from a different snippet in time. I might have stitched a few together if there were a handful of messages from other people in-between one and another that was not relevant to the point being made with the messages.

And again, all of these screenshots took place since January.

You, and anyone else, are entirely within your right to dispute the authenticity of the screenshots. That is fine. I can say that nothing was doctored or manipulated and I mean it 100%. But you are entitled to your own opinion.
Edited By Krinadon on 3/24/2023 at 10:34 AM.
Mysticalparadise
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Joined: 1/26/2022
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:35 AM Post #67
I'm not on this site a whole lot all the time, kind of come and go, so I've stayed out of all the drama. (Also I'm more a lurker). So. First, sorry that all this has happened.

I guess my current question/curiosity is, how do we know if a player is banned? This go round playing again, I've been looking to get max Stat pets, but I'm nervous now to buy any or contact players about what they have for sale or might later have regarding species and stuff. I don't know the community all that well, and this sudden banning makes me a little leery and untrusting of basically everyone. Sorry.
Krinadon
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:38 AM Post #68
Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=105585&page=7#67
Author: Mysticalparadise
Time Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:35 AM
I'm not on this site a whole lot all the time, kind of come and go, so I've stayed out of all the drama. (Also I'm more a lurker). So. First, sorry that all this has happened.

I guess my current question/curiosity is, how do we know if a player is banned? This go round playing again, I've been looking to get max Stat pets, but I'm nervous now to buy any or contact players about what they have for sale or might later have regarding species and stuff. I don't know the community all that well, and this sudden banning makes me a little leery and untrusting of basically everyone. Sorry.


There is no telltale way. However, if you cycle through player profiles and it skips over someone's profile - they are banned.
Typhlosion
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Wondrous Witch
Joined: 2/9/2013
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Posts: 7,116
Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:41 AM Post #69
Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=105585&page=7#67
Author: Mysticalparadise
Time Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:35 AM
I'm not on this site a whole lot all the time, kind of come and go, so I've stayed out of all the drama. (Also I'm more a lurker). So. First, sorry that all this has happened.

I guess my current question/curiosity is, how do we know if a player is banned? This go round playing again, I've been looking to get max Stat pets, but I'm nervous now to buy any or contact players about what they have for sale or might later have regarding species and stuff. I don't know the community all that well, and this sudden banning makes me a little leery and untrusting of basically everyone. Sorry.


When someone gets banned, their bio is wiped. Thats another telltale way to know.
Theentirelegend
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Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:48 AM Post #70
Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=105585&page=7#66
Author: Krinadon
Time Posted: 3/24/2023 at 10:33 AM
[quote=2699014]

Showing the timestamp can show when the screenshots were taken. This information could be used to cross reference who was in the channel at the time the screenshots were taken. Those who provided us with the screenshots also requested that we removed the timestamps (for this reason). Therefore, we complied and removed the timestamps.

I am pretty sure all of the messages are clumped together with consecutive messages. I did this myself. If there's a space between a block of messages, it was from a different snippet in time. I might have stitched a few together if there were a handful of messages from other people in-between one and another that was not relevant to the point being made with the messages.

And again, all of these screenshots took place since January.

You, and anyone else, are entirely within your right to dispute the authenticity of the screenshots. That is fine. I can say that nothing was doctored or manipulated and I mean it 100%. But you are entitled to your own opinion.


I'm not sure if you're deliberately avoiding addressing what I'm saying at this point??? If you are, that's pretty telling. If instead you're not understanding me, allow me to break it down.

Let's say for a second that I fully believed in the validity of these screenshots, in order, with no further context needed etc etc etc - I still think it was a bad call to post them. I think it didn't help the situation, in any way, and it was unnecessary, unkind, and just spreading more hurt into an already bad situation. The fact that you'll willingly admit players have the ability and right to dispute their authenticity speaks to the fact that posting them held no merit in the first place. How is doing this any better or different than what you are accusing these players of doing? Being transparent with your player base and over sharing other people's business are two very different things and this really feels like crossing that line to me.
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