IMO, Krinadon buried the lead when posting about the upcoming Breeding Grounds changes.

First, allow me to quote Somneli and Voilonia, who posted in the announcement thread for Breeding Grounds changes--

Somneli: Will pets that are already set up for public breeding be automatically carried over to the new system?

Volinolona: I do have the same concern/question as Somneli about the breeding market and current studs and I am really hoping they'll carry over. There are many pets currently up from accounts that are no longer active or are rarely active. Some of said pets may be the only of their Themed with a specific trait available or are of an older or more rare Themed, making them valuable as studs for people doing Themed projects. It would be quite frustrating to suddenly be unable to access them. Plus, even active people could find it frustrating and annoying to have to re-list their studs and may simply choose not to.

Krinadon, replying on the thread: I do not plan on on manually converting the current system to the new as there will be a lot of new parameters and systems required on the new system. So players will have to set them up again on the new system once it's implemented.

Faeyla, on the thread: Som's question is a very important one. This will mean all of the pets from inactive users will disappear from public breeding.

WingsOfAmber, being intelligent on the thread: I do agree it will be unfortunate to lose the public breedings set up by inactive players who may have rare themes, traits, etc available, but I think a community effort to get those traits and themes back into the gene pool will be just as fun as well :). I know I'll be sure to stick around to add anything I can back into public Breeding for that reason.

Lavenderrain, being concerned on the thread: I definitely hold similar concerns to Somneli about old breeding pets not getting converted over. I don't understand much with coding and what-not, so this might be way bigger of an ask than I realize, but removing all public breedings is going to really devastating. There are so many pets in public breeding that belong to players no longer active, many of which are to old themes fighting against extinction. I understand that's why the black friday wheel is around now, but I do genuinely worry about how much more rare themes like Harvest Day Nephini will become. There is a surprising under of old themes that don't even have a 6 vis in existence yet, and removing 70-80% of the public breeders for them could actually make them go extinct. I suppose an argument could be made that having old themes being bonkers rare/unobtainable isn't a bad thing, but I personally would hate to see that

Nocturnia, also being intelligent on the thread: When it comes to the old themes for inactive players, would it be possible to set a program that sets a breeding fee for certain parameters? For example: If player has been inactive for 3 years, all tagged themed pets they own will be set for a breeding fee of 50,000 gold (or whatever, just a number that seems not too low or too high.)

Krinadon, spelling it out in the thread: No, existing pets up for public breeding will not carry over. This is for a few reasons. Mainly, we'll be switching to an entirely new back-end system with this with a lot of new variables and such. The old system will not be compatible. Regarding old publicly available pets, yes, I understand. It's just unfortunately a part of moving forward and still-active players will have to work on filling whatever Trait/Themed gaps remain. Fortunately, we offer a lot of opportunities now for players to obtain retired Themed Pets. I think, long term, this will produce a much healthier pet economy. We can always look at further adjustments to game systems down the road depending on how things settle.

Then I posted this in the thread: The problem is, Krin, there are no opportunities to obtain (1) any non-Themed pets that are up for public breeding or (2) any CE Themed pets. Some non-Themed pets are unique. If they disappear from breeding access, they are simply gone.
The various CE versions of Themes are all that can or will exist of their Theme version. Since these tend to be older Themes, the loss of even a few breed-able CE Themed pets is likely to cause quite a few problems for people who breed those versions.

So what can we do?

First, we can support having some version of Nocturnia's idea. Go post on the thread (link above) that you support the idea of having some kind of continuing, if limited, access to the breedable pets of long-absent owners.

Second, follow up on WingsOfAmber's idea. I created this thread to help with saving as many of those traits from older Themes as possible. When you find a pet set for public breeding in a long-dormant account, and the pet is an older Theme or the CE version of a Theme, and the pet has a hard-to-find trait, post the pet here! Let as many people as possible have a chance to get an offspring from that pet before (worst case scenario) the pet vanishes.

To people I quoted: if you don't want me to quote you on this thread, just let me know, and I'll delete your name and the quotation.

Example: the CE Festive Zolnixies. Modern Festive Zolnixies have Mutation 2 Color as light gold and Mutation 3 Color as red, as shown by this pair (the first one is named "Festive," the second is #6456981)--

Light gold M2 ------------------------------- Red M3--------------


However, the CE Festive Zolnixies have those colors switched with each other, as shown by this pair (named "Sweater" and "Festive," respectively)--

Red M2 ------------------------------- Light gold M3--------------


Here are CE Festive Zolnixies who are (1) in dormant accounts, (2) available for public breeding, and (3) have unique traits.

"Nick" is was the only one with Banded Stripes.
Edit: Nick now has a son with Banded Stripes!



"Wrapper" and "Three Needles" (the only ones with Tribal Stripes are in the same dormant account)--



MourningLily's account has only been inactive for a little over a month, but I'm posting their todd (#474253) here anyway, since he's the only CE Festive Zolnixi with the Paint trait--



MourningLily's todd, above, is also one of the three available CE Festive Zolnixies with the Back Stripes trait . . . and all three of them are in accounts that have been inactive for over a month. "Sweater," above, is the second one of them. The third one is another, different todd named Nick (#475183).

There are six available CE Festive Zolnixies with the Regal Markings trait, and five of them are in dormant accounts: "Wrapper" (shown above), plus "Festive," "rM't'' Festive," "rm'''t," and "r''''' Festive," respectively--




Two available CE Festive Zolnixies have the Ornate Spangles trait, "Sweater," above, and this todd, Claus


Exactly one CE Festive Zolnixi with African Painted is available for breeding--



The two CE Festive Zolnixies who have Cross Fox and are available for breeding are in active accounts, so I won't post them here.


Exactly one CE Festive Zolnixi with Double Stripes is available for breeding. She's the first vixen I've encountered who is named "Festive," and she's in a dormant account.


To date, no Festive Zolnixi of either variety has the Ocelot or the Clouded Hearts trait.


There are eight CE Festive Zolnixies that have the Marbled Fox trait and are up for breeding. Three of the eight are in active accounts, so I won't post them here.


Four CE Festive Zolnixies have the Fallow Deer trait and are up for public breeding; all of them are in dormant accounts. Here they are: 489310, 492451, 1147331, and 7378260.
Edit: Holiday Gift Fox and The Beast Of Stephen have Fallow Deer!


Four CE Festive Zolnixies have the Witch Doctor trait and are up for public breeding; all of them are in dormant accounts. "Three Needles," above, is one of them. Grogu's Nick, (#475183) also above, is another; his Witch Doctor trait is Visible. There's also Pine and Un-named todd below.


There's one CE Festive who is available for breeding and has the Kitsune trait, un-Named 489792, plus one CE Festive with the trait in an active account, un-Named 8820365.

No CE Festive Zolnixi has the Dapple, Sea Darter, or Royalty trait. However, Acycorn's "Festive," above, has Gazelle under his Fallow Deer.

The only CE Festive set for breeding, and with Advanced Runes, is Celyn, who's in an active account.

No CE Festive Zolnixi with Digital Runes is set for public breeding, but one, FZ 100010 n, is in an active account.

Five CE Festive Zolnixies with Life Runes are set for public breeding, and all are in dormant accounts. They are "Wrapper" and "Three Needles," above, plus these--



The only CE Festive set for breeding, and with Rainbow Life Runes, is Yapping Paper, who's in an active account.

The only CE Festive Zolnixi set for breeding, and with the Lucky Runes trait, is ''l'l' New Festive, who's in a dormant account. All other CE Festive Zolnixies with this trait are in the same dormant account.
Edit: No longer! He has a daughter, Santa's Little Yelper, who has Lucky Runes!

The only CE Festive Zolnixi set for breeding, and with the Mystic Runes trait, is [TEMPLINKREPLACE]''m''b Festive[/url], who's in a dormant account. All other Festive Zolnixies with this trait are also in dormant accounts.

No CE Festive Zolnixi has the Frost Runes, the Rainbow Advanced Runes, the Glowing Stripes, Enchanted Butterflies, Feather Dust, Mystic Orbs, Feathered Tail, Lovely Hearts, Fairy Rings, Pearl Armor, Shaman Feathers, Spirit Flames, Twisted Root Armor, Steampunk Outfit, Shaman Mane, Arctic Fur, Gazelle Horns, Glowlight Wings, Feathered Wings (Tips), Feathered Wings (Stripes), Spirit Wings, Steampunk Wings, or Feathered Cherub Wings trait.

The only Festive Zolnixi with Leaf Veins is [TEMPLINKREPLACE]Un-named 1186161[/url], who is not available for breeding and is in a dormant account.

There are three CE Festive Zolnixies with the Star Runes trait who are available for breeding, all of them in dormant accounts. They are un-Named 489792, linked above, plus [TEMPLINKREPLACE]Jemma [/url]and [TEMPLINKREPLACE]Holly[/url].

Several CE Festive Zolnixies with Tri Tails, Chow Tail, Stubby Tail, Talismans, Sugar Plum Flower, Regalia Of Hermes, Flower Vines, Chain Jewelry, Magic Spell, and Feathered Wings are in active accounts, so I'm not listing them here.

One CE Festive has the Bandana trait and is in an active account, Un-named 483471, and he's up for public breeding. For some reason I can't link to him, but there's his number.

The only CE Festive Zolnixi set for breeding, and with the Leaf Trappings trait, is ''l'l' New Festive, who's in a dormant account and is linked above. All other CE Festive Zolnixies with this trait are in the same dormant account.

The only CE Festive Zolnixi set for breeding, and with the Ball Mask trait, is ''m''b Festive, who's in a dormant account and is linked above. All other CE Festive Zolnixies with this trait are also in dormant accounts.

The only CE Festive Zolnixi set for breeding, and with the Butterfly Wings trait, is Festive, whom I can't link to for some reason. His # is 471074, and he's in a dormant account. All other CE Festive Zolnixies with this trait are also in dormant accounts. Two CE Festives have Comet Moth Wings, but both are in dormant accounts and are unavailable for breeding.

One CE Festive, James (#488506), is in a dormant account and has Leaf Wings. He's available for breeding.

Autumn Chrysanthemum (not counting restricted traits)

G1,
AA 6 site wide have it, 1 up for breeding owned by Cattestrophic
BB 4 site wide, 1 up for breeding, all 4 i think are owned by inactive accounts
DD unable to obtain, 1 exists owned by Limor who is now sadly innactive
KK Unobtainable, 3 site wide 2 owned by innactive accounts 1 owned by 1 active player
MM 6 site wide, 2 owned by active players
OO unable to obtain 2 sitewide owned by 1 active player
RR1RR2 3 site wide, 1 owned by inactive player 2 owned by active players
TT doesnt exist
VV Unobtainable, owned by inactive player Littlemidna

G2
BB 4 site wide, 3 owned by inactive players 1 owned by active player
CC unobtainable, 8 site wide, 5 owned by inactive players 3 owned by 1 active player
DD doesnt exist
HH unobtainable 2 sitewide 1 owned by inactive player 1 owned by active
JJ unobtainable, owned by active player
KK doesnt exist
MM unobtainable 3 exist site wide 1 owned by inactve player 2 owned by active players

G3
AA 7 exist site wide, 1 for breeding by inactive player most others owned by inactive players
BB , 3 site wide 2 inactive 1 active i baught it 1g breeding fee G3
CC 3 sitewide owned by active players
GG doesnt exist
HH 2 site wide owned by active player
II 2 sitewide 1 owned by active player 1 owned by inactive player

M1 -

M2
CC 1 sitewide
HH unobtainable 1 sitewide owned by 1 active player
KK unobtainable 1 sitewide owned by 1 active player

M3 -


Autumn Stream


G1

G2

G3

M1

M2

M3

@ OG: I still have a few regen lups that I've been hanging onto. Once the dust settles after the breeding grounds go live, I can go through and try and fill in some trait gaps.

In general, I've started some random breedings and collections of all the original (CE) patriotic pets. I haven't been very organized about it, so if there happens to be a rare trait with one let me know and I'll get more breedings. Majority of them are here: https://www.sylestia.com/stables/?stable=192783&tab=1. Ignore the unconsciousness, Rosemary won't do her job until tomorrow.

I'll take a look at the older qits tomorrow. It can be more challenging to determine which are which with the color changes. Might also look at sales from inactive users since those will go poof as well.

Wait, sales will vanish as well?

Had to take a look through the thread again. It doesn't say anything about sales. I just assumed they would be affected as well with all of the changes, but maybe not. I'll have to ask Krin the next time I see him.

Edit: Checked with Krin, sales are all good for now. That won't be an issue until the sales portion gets revamped later.

For what it's worth, I have done some breeding for lup themes since Krin mentioned that current breedings might not get carried over, and have also been using disruptors and GGMs to try and get as many traits as possible covered on as many lup themes as possible. I have set some themes up for breeding already, but I also have many, many more that I haven't gotten around to yet (and probably won't until after the update, since it's now confirmed that all current breeding set-ups will be lost). So. Any traits that I have on a lup theme, whether tagged or purebred, don't necessarily need to be preserved by anyone else. They'll be up for breeding on my account eventually. And I'll continue mutating and disrupting where I'm able to, as well.

I did get two of the 3v theme of choice pets from the last diamond sale, which allowed me to get non-regennable traits on the Witching Hour and Seashell themes that previously weren't owned by literally anyone on the site. They're unfortunately not the pre-revamp color palettes, but hey, at least they're represented now.

Edit: and I also still have several regen trait points that I'll be using towards this purpose, as well.

Bravo Som! You are a true Sylestian patriot.

I'm going to main breeding and collecting luffox themes, I'm willing to trade some of my other themes for gold, diamonds, or luffox themes!

https://www.sylestia.com/search/?type=2&val=#search_top_2

Autumn Predator Vul
36 for breeding
14 to be lost

G1
NA Cheetah Spots Carry x2
EE Clouded Leopard Vis
JJ Bengal Vis
NB Tiger Stripes Carry
BB Tiger Stripes Vis

G2
NA Tuxedo Carry x2
AA Tuxedo Vis x2
NB Tonkinese Carry x4 Hidden x1
CC Arctic Panda Vis
NC Arctic Panda Carry
NE Petals Carry

G3
NA Advanced Runes Carry x6
AA Advanced Runes Vis x2
HH Sparkle Ruins Vis x2
EE Leaf Veins Vis

M1
AA Feathered Wings
NA Demon Wings Hidden
EE Armored Wings Vis
NE Armored Wings Carry
HH Starfire Wings
NC Skeletal Armor Carry x3

M2
BB Jeweled Collar Vis x2
NB Jeweled Collar Carry
NC Nekomata Tail Carry
AA Tundra fur Vis x2
NF Lynx Tail Hidden

M3
NA Small Horns Carry x3
AA Small Horns Vis
BB Flame Spirit Horns Vis x3
NB Flame Spirit Horns Carry x2 Hidden x2