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Forum Index > Off-Topic Discussion > Thoughts On Pitbull Attacks?
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Chills
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Posted: 12/9/2019 at 10:33 PM Post #1
Hi
So first everyone has their own opinion, you have no right to harass anyone because they think diffrent then you, any harassment I see on here will be shown to Krin :p

Now back to the point, In my online school, my English teacher does a thing called "Social week" where we have a week to finish an essay about an opinion based topic but the catch is you have to post the opinion on any social website and find out peoples opinion on the topic as well and qoute them ( and you need proof that you posted the topic).

So I decided to do my topic off of Pitbull Attacks :D Are Pitbulls dangerous, or not?

Well Ive been attacked by a Pitbull before, his name was Duke!
Duke was raised by my parents since he was 6 months old, he was rescued from a pound, who had dates on their site, Pitbulls had just TWO months to live in that pound, if they were there for more then two months they got put to sleep.
So when my mother heard about the 2 month thing she begged my dad to get another dog, begged and begged (at the time we had a doberman whom i dont know the name of and a Border Collie I also dont know her name) The doberman and Collie were huge trouble makers, hence why my father did now want anymore pets (they also had an iguana and ferret at the time who I guess were HUGE trouble makers as well).
But finally my dad gave in, and to the pound they went, returning with a Pitbull AND a cat (they have no selfcontrol). Now Duke was raised with two of the BIGGEST cuddle bugs the Doberman and Collie were the biggest sweethearts I guess (besideds them destroying stuff for fun o3o)
My parents would take all three of them to dog parks and just let them go and all three were good with everyone, they were very gentle and very nice to everyone and everything!
But when i was born my mother and father made the hard choice to give away the Doberman and Collie to a wonderful old couple, they did that in fear that they would trample me or chew up my things. But kept Duke, Duke was still a great dog and they still took him out all the time without a leash aswell, (he was a good dog never ran or anyhing), And at this point we just had the cat and pitbull so mom bought a Pom named rocky when i was about one!
One day when rocky was 3 or 4 and i was 5 or 4, I was somewhere (not home from what my mom told me) and my mom was in the shower, Duke and Rocky were in the same room (the room right next to the bathroom) when suddenly my mother heard Rocky Screaming, my mom jumped out only to see rocky with his eye hanging out of his head >-<, My mom screamed and called my dad freaking out and my dad rushed home and just popped his eye back in and rushed to the vet o3o, My mom not knowing what happened (Rocky was a small dog all small dogs have a temper ._.) Decided not to blame Duke, and after she heard Rocky was ok, just blind in that eye, she just told her self things like this happen with dogs sometimes.
But that wasnt he case, it was late, idk where we got back from (I think my grandmothers), and as soon as I got home I ran to Duke (i was 5 or 6), and he was wagging his tail towards my parents but when I hugged him he attacked me, bit my face. I had to get sitches all over the right side of my face, and was SUPER lucky, as I had to get a stich right next to my eye, and thats the biggest scar I have, Which sucks it sticks out and i hate it :/. My dad had no choice but to put him down, he tried to attack him on the way to the car actually. He had no choice we couldnt just give him away to another person he would just harm? Rocky died at 12 he lived a good long life and now I own a dwarf Golden named Thorin, my mother owns an agressive hound lab (hes just house agressive any one new in his house is a threat)named Boscoe. And my dad owns a small FAT shiba named Nessy. I asked recently if I could rescue a Pitbull and I got yelled at so that expirence ruined my parents thoughts on Pitbulls (we have a rule where you cant put your face in the dogs face, but i do anyway o-o My baby boy likes kisses TwT)!!

So finally in my opinion I think there are pitbulls with problems, those dogs are just used as attack dogs and even have attack dog bloodlines, maybe Duke had Pitbull fighting blood :/...

But whats your thoughts?
:OO
Opipearl
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Posted: 12/9/2019 at 11:29 PM Post #2
My thoughts on pit bulls is that there like any other normal dog. Even if what their bred for is fighting since according to aspca also known as ,The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, "Dogs used for fighting needed to be routinely handled by people; therefore aggression toward people was not tolerated." Although when it comes to other animals they could be aggressive to them. Actually pitbulls are just a cross of the old english bulldog also know as "English bull-baiting dog", back then and terriers. Also in your situation with Duke a bit can be caused by a lot of different thing for instance fear, which might be happened to your dad dogs are very good at reading body language mainly because that is as they communicate. One way of communication is actually wagging tails which can have a lot of different meanings such as being happy or even being aggressive. Sorry if it seems like I'm trying to argue with what happen to you I just want to put some things hopefully in a new light. Although I might be bias with owning a lab/pit mix myself who is like any other dog. Just more stubborn.

https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/canine-corner/201112/what-wagging-dog-tail-really-means-new-scientific-data
Chills
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Posted: 12/10/2019 at 3:58 AM Post #3
I also wondered if maybe he just bit my face in joy that we were home, he might of just been happy? And ya know how dogs grab your arm in excitment maybe he did that to my face just not thinking it would harm me. But he did attack my little pom, and from what my mother says his hair was raised, and my father just shrugs he dosnt like to talk about it due to Duke was his "boy."

But since I was so young i dont remember it, I kinda wish I was a bit older just so I could remember xD. But I agree with you, my parents might just be stubborn about it because it traumatized them lol. But then again, I cant decide, compared to other dog attacks ive seen more Pitbull attacks. I would love to have a Pit, id just rather wait till I get my own place in a year or two.
Edited By Chills on 12/10/2019 at 4:05 AM.
Draumrkopa
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Posted: 12/10/2019 at 4:21 AM Post #4
I just want to say that by being human, I am biased, as all humans are biased. My opinions are different the others.

Like said before me I believe all dogs are equally dangerous and equally good. I dont believe one breed is more /evil/ then another. I feel like a dogs personality is shaped just like a humans, dogs can get traumatized and become fearful, they can become attached and clingy, or they can become aggressive. As the owner I feel it is my responsibility to teach my dog, regardless of its breed, to respect my rules and to understand why I ask it to do tasks. I also believe that teaching a dog to fear you ( so called 'Alpha training') can put a dog at a higher risk of attacking you as they see you as a threat. I prefer reward training, giving treats for good behavior. Just like raising a child. I have personally had multiple dogs over the years, Pyrenees, Labs, Collies, Dobermans, German shepherds, Rotties, Mastiffs, Grayhounds, American bull dogs, and Pitt bulls. With all my dogs being gentle loving companions I feel rewarded training is successful. It was never the breed just how it raised and its experiences in life. I feel like Pitt bulls (and other breeds) should not be stereotyped so strongly. I view it the same of stereotyping humans by race, orientation, or gender, it should not he done. Saying one Pitt bull is bad because another bit someone is equal (in my view at least) to saying all men are murders because one man murdered.

A few links that helped me:

Negative enforcement/ Alpha training:
https://drsophiayin.com/blog/entry/new_study_finds_popular_alpha_dog_training_techniques_can_cause_more_harm_t/

https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/dog-behavior-and-training-dominance-alpha-and-pack-leadership-what-does-it-really-mean


Reward training:
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/training/training-your-dog-with-rewards-and-positive-reinforcement/

https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/what-is-reward-based-dog-training-and-why-does-the-rspca-support-it/

Dangerous Dog breeds:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/dogtime.com/dog-health/general/772-dangerous-dog-breeds-fact-or-fiction-aaha/amp

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/owners-not-breeds-predict-whether-dog-will-be-aggressive-180949962/

Bite stats (this has quite a few references links)

https://www.maxlawsc.com/dog-bite-statistics/

https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2019-06/new-study-identifies-most-damaging-dog-bites-by-breed/
Chills
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Posted: 12/10/2019 at 4:47 AM Post #5
I never really thought of it in a race/gender kind of way, but the way you explained it makes perfect sense, I agree with you.
Im not sure if it was alpha training or not I wasnt there oof :(, All i know is he was a good dog who just snapped and started attacking things.
Draumrkopa
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Posted: 12/10/2019 at 4:55 AM Post #6
Sence you said he was adopted from a shelter that means that there is a part of his life none of you had control influencing. The dog could of been traumatized and become fearful of that one aspect like a soldier with PTSD. For all we know he could of smelled an sent that put him into a panic mode and he was blinded by fear over his distant past. There is always a chance you take when you buy or adopt the dog. You will never know its whole life.
And thank you for being so polite on this very sensitive topic.
Opipearl
Level 62
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Posted: 12/10/2019 at 2:17 PM Post #7
I can't say much about the Pom attack since by the sounds of it nobody was in the room at the time so nobody say what happen. Also you may be right about the excitement part. Definitely since a dog puppy stages can be very important. One of the most important for easier solilizion is 8-10 weeks.

puppy development
https://www.paws.org/library/dogs/puppies/developmental-stages/


Edit: Although when to pitbulls attack at least other arguments on the internet it always seems to come down to the whole question of nature versus nurture.
Edited By Opipearl on 12/10/2019 at 2:47 PM.
Moonia
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Posted: 12/17/2019 at 3:39 PM Post #8
My thoughts are that Pitbulls are pretty misunderstood, and I agree with the fact Duke was probably just happy to see you. Some people hate them for no reason, other than the fact they're scary! Pitbulls are like any other dog, and deserve to be treated that way. And, although I don't have one myself, I know some of the facts! Pitbulls are the generic fighting dog, and although people would see this fact as a proof that they hate humans, they're TRAINED to obey the humans that use them for dog fights, and be aggressive to everything else! Dogs in general can all be fighting dogs, unless they're bred purely for appearance, are a small breed, or are deformed in some way (missing or have no teeth, missing limbs, giant tongue, deformed bones, ect). Thus, a single Pitbull attack does NOT mean all Pitbulls act like that (somthing your parents ought to know) Pitbulls, most of the time, are gentle giants! Now, circling back around to Duke. Duke was most likely a retired fighting dog that lost too many fights, couldn't cooperate, ect. Duke either got super excited to see you, or, a more preventable option, you scared him, he was probably only acting in self defense, if that were the case! Duke was most likely scared, it wouldn't be very advised to stick you face right on a dog's head, even if you know the dog well, any other dog would've probably done the same thing, had younger you did the hug with a different breed

I digress, this is only my opinion, as I am human, and many others will find this post a waste of time
Savynn
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Posted: 12/18/2019 at 11:01 PM Post #9
I've read that dog breed isn't really a good indicator of whether a dog will bite. According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, "figures reporting certain breeds as being more prone to biting has found those to be the breeds in the greatest population where the dog bites are reported."

That said though it wouldn't surprise me if when a pit bull does attack that it could do more severe damage than many other breeds. They do have powerful jaws. If I had a choice to be bit by either a pit bull or a pekingese, I'm going to choose the pekingese. (Side rant is that poor pekingnese and pugs do not deserve to be made into extreme brachycephalics by humans for our own amusement.)

I had my own incident with a pit bull once. I was at my parents' house and pit bull was running loose through the neighborhood. She came into our yard while it was just me out there. She started growling a bit and grabbed my pants leg. She was so strong I had to hold onto a pole with all my strength. I felt like if I went down onto the ground that I didn't know what would happen. Our neighbor heard me and managed to get the dog off of me.

So no she didn't harm me but at the same time if this was a smaller sort of dog would the result have been the same? It was all I could do to stay attached to that pole. I barely hung on. Of course, this dog must never have been properly socialized or trained by a person. I would like to say that I'm still not particularly afraid of pit bulls but I also feel like it can't be true that all dogs are the same either. Size difference and the strength that can come with it can't really be ignored but this can be an issue with a lot of large dogs and not exclusively pit bulls. I think a more interesting question is if you could compare dogs of similar size along while taking into account the population density of the breed. Also keep in mind that pit bull can be used rather generically by some people.

However, I think the best thing to do for your research paper is to pursue studies that have been done on the matter. I told you what happened to me but my experience can be a rarity. It's best to look for what's been documented on a larger scale by actual researchers. Be also aware of bias one way or another. Like even me possibly for instance. I can have my own bias because of my own incident. I try to not let it affect my opinion but maybe it does whether I want it to or not. Good experiences and bad experiences can shape how we see the world but it's not necessarily the truth.
Edited By Savynn on 12/18/2019 at 11:13 PM.
 
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