So I was informed that a couple of people dropped a lot of gold down first thing on a few eggs and because of that the bid increase was insane pretty much making it impossible for anyone else to bid while the person who dropped in the way less amount is paying a forth of what that final bid would have looked like. I understand the concept behind the bid increments and why they were put in place. My suggestion to make it a little more fair for people who can't bid until later (whether because of school, work, etc).. that there be a cap on how much someone can put down at a time. So instead of someone putting down say 10 mil within the first minutes of it starting, they can only put 1 mil.. and then the bids go up by what the auction generates instead of the craziness that happened with the 20mil eggling. At least then people would have a better chance of actually being able to participate without fear of losing every bit of their gold compared to someone else who only put up a small portion of that. It would mean that the original bidder would have to keep bidding if they really wanted the egg instead of putting down money and then letting it get ridiculously high using the automated system. In my opinion that is just as bad as sniping at the last minute. And I hope I made sense there.. because my brain is swirling and the ocd is having trouble computing this.

I don't mean for this to come off as rude/aggressive, although wouldn't the implementation of a bidding cap be kind of pointless?
As I assume many players have a max of what they would/can spend bidding (such as ~5mil for me). & in the end, whoever has the largest amount they'd bid, will still win, so it doesn't really change much, except for the potential added stress auctions already brings. (At least imo)
(Especially considering that I & possibly two-three other players bided at ~5mil)

It's really up to the players who want to participate, to make/have the time & money to do so.
(As you mentioned, not everyone has the time. Although you can't truly adjust it to make so everyone has the said time. Unless there are multiple auctions starting at different times)

You saying you bid at five mil to win that egg that ended at 19mil.. I could have outbid you at eight mil.. but once it got beyond my gold in the autobid I couldn't even bid.. despite that you only bid 5mil. It's deceiving and doesn't give other people a fair change to actually bid. I'm not saying capping how much you spend period, just how much you spend in one set down so that the auto bid doesn't get so crazy and make it impossible for others (who may not have even been able to get online on day one) to get a chance to bid despite having the funds to do so without auto bid. If you can only bid so much at a time.. or say if it is changed from percentages to set amounts on autobid, it wouldn't be so drastic and it would be more like an auction while still making it less desirable for people to snipe stuff at the last minute. I hope this makes more sense. (I tend to overexplain things and make it more confusing heh).

Note* I am not bashing you or anyone else who laid down a lot of gold at the beginning, I am only trying to figure out a way to make the system better. When I said it was just as bad as sniping, I was referring the possibility of people taking major advantage of the system, not pointing fingers.

Let me better explain what I am talking about by showing what I mean by looking at it from another viewpoint.

You want to bid on a pet. First bid is 1 real life dollar. The auction started five hours ago so you didnt get that first bid and now thanks to auto-bid that bid is 100 dollars. You could only afford 50 so you werent able to bid. Later you find out that the person who originally bid that dollar got that pet for 1 dollar.

Or.. say you bid the 100 dollars and then later find out that the only other person who bid.. bid once.. and that was that 1 dollar and that was all they had to bid whereas you could have gotten the pet for 2 dollars but instead have to pay 100. Wouldnt that bother you? Honestly? It would bother anyone if they were on the losing end of that because you either just lost something you wanted and technically could have afforded.. or lost way more money than was really necessary.

My suggestions are only to slow down that increase so instead of paying 100 dollars, instead maybe you just pay 20. And no I am not mathing, I am just tossing this out as an example of what I am trying to convey. I personally do not benefit either way from it, I just saw something that I didnt see as quite right. :shrugs: The way I see, the benefit would go for everyone. More people would be able to bid and instead of Krin only getting (in your case) 5mil gold out of the system, he could have gotten closer to 8 or 9 if people had been able to actually bid before auto bid cut them out of the picture completely.

Gosh, it's so hard to say what the right path is. On the one hand, I can see how someone dropping 5 mill on an egg from the get go can get crazy fast unless you're there right at the start to bid.

On the other, last minute bid snipers are annoying and it makes the whole thing stressful.

I understand your feelings, Shadowized. It is frustrating that you can't get to the auction in the first hours to bid and when someone drops are large amount of gil at once. It doesn't favor people who, for whatever reason, can't be there during the first day of bidding.

But, I've also learned that on this site, things don't always cater to everyone (nor is it possible to do). I mean, whenever there's a contest to breed a pet with a Luffox, I can't take part because I don't have a Luffox worth participating with. I did say something, and that's what I was told. It just wasn't meant for people like me. I could get mad, or just... accept it and do the things I *can* do.

I totally understand where you're coming from, feels bad. But I don't really know of a way to resolve things that won't just make it more convoluted.

it sounds like you may want the auto-increase to be removed rather than a cap to be introduced.

in my opinion i feel like its fair to have an advantage if you're babysitting the page early on in the auction. there are a lot of other things on the site where some people have advantages due to timezones (like boards), and they're rare/expensive prizes that (specifically in this most recent auction) you cannot create outside of the auction. i'm honestly a little shocked that their prices didn't go higher than they did. >.>

if it were a smaller auction with prizes similar to boards, where you can reasonably get pets of the same value, i would fully support having a limit on how high the auto increase can go. but if we get more auctions like the one that just ended, i feel like its fair to have an advantage for joining early on. they shouldn't be cheap prizes with limits, and if someone is able to make a large deposit on a pet immediately they already have an advantage over most users anyways.

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=106392&page=1#4 Author: Shadowized Time Posted: 6/27/2023 at 5:06 PM Let me better explain what I am talking about by showing what I mean by looking at it from another viewpoint. You want to bid on a pet. First bid is 1 real life dollar. The auction started five hours ago so you didnt get that first bid and now thanks to auto-bid that bid is 100 dollars. You could only afford 50 so you werent able to bid. Later you find out that the person who originally bid that dollar got that pet for 1 dollar. Or.. say you bid the 100 dollars and then later find out that the only other person who bid.. bid once.. and that was that 1 dollar and that was all they had to bid whereas you could have gotten the pet for 2 dollars but instead have to pay 100. Wouldnt that bother you? Honestly? It would bother anyone if they were on the losing end of that because you either just lost something you wanted and technically could have afforded.. or lost way more money than was really necessary. My suggestions are only to slow down that increase so instead of paying 100 dollars, instead maybe you just pay 20. And no I am not mathing, I am just tossing this out as an example of what I am trying to convey. I personally do not benefit either way from it, I just saw something that I didnt see as quite right. :shrugs: The way I see, the benefit would go for everyone. More people would be able to bid and instead of Krin only getting (in your case) 5mil gold out of the system, he could have gotten closer to 8 or 9 if people had been able to actually bid before auto bid cut them out of the picture completely.

Just gonna point out because I *do* actually do math...

Taking the 2.5% into real life money? $1.00 would only increase by 2.5 cents to $1.025, presumably rounded up to $1.03. After that? An additional ~2.57 cents so we'll say $1.057, presumably rounded up to $1.06

That's 6 pennies added over the one dollar after two hours, not the dollars literally jumping up by 100x the original amount.


Now when we're talking game gold and it's at 1,000,000 when the hour is up, that bid going up by 2.5% is only adding 25k.

With 10,000,000 on the bid, it's an extra 250k.

Sounds like a lot. But 250,000 is pretty much nothing to someone who has already put down 10,000,000

The bid increase isn't really making that much of an impact here; it's a matter of some people have 10,000,000 gold, and most people have 0 hope of competing with those people.




In terms of math, I think you may be confusing the percentile growth ( n x 0.025 + n every hour) for exponential growth ( n x 2.5 every hour.)

Exponential growth would increase the amount by a multiplier of 2.5, and yes that would be insane.

$1.00 would turn into $2.50 - versus the percentile growth to ~$1.03

1,000,000 would turn into 2,500,000 - versus the percentile growth to 1,025,000

10,000,000 would turn into 25,000,000 - versus the percentile growth to 10,250,000



Edit: Bane says I'm a nerd <3

Auction started at 3am my time ended at 12pm. I decided not to bid as bids were already highish when I got home from work. It sucks that the Auction is better catered to those in the US but alas this is life. I don't think the Auction needs to be changed

Alright since we wanted to go the math route and you guys arent understanding what Im trying to get across I figured it up. So.. the first bid is 5mil and that is the highest that person can go. So they put everything on that first bid. Now the next highest bidder cant get to the bidding until the next day.. the first column is the amount in gold starting with the 5mil. Second column is the 2.5% of that amount. The total of the first column and the second column is the next one down in the first column. (Really hope this makes sense.)

Looking at it.. if you have to bid 24 hours (which is what the column stopped at) after that initial 5mil bid, you now have to bid almost 9mil. It takes out everyone who could have bid below that because if it goes over your gold amount it wont let you bid at all. So at this point.. is it really an auction because if 5mil was as high as someone could go.. but people who *could* bid higher gold wise couldnt because of the auto rise rate being so fast are completely wiped out without a chance.. the person who paid that initial 5mil is the one that gets the prize (costing them only 5mil)

So it isnt really who has more gold.. its who gets in the first high bid. In saying that.. my suggestion was to cap the amount people could bid at a time (not the amount someone could bid overall) or lower the rate/shift it to a set amount of gold rise instead of percentages.) Thats it. Not taking it away, just trying to make it a little more fair for people who could have bid had the autobid not wiped them out of the running before they even had the chance.

Note: This is based on if *no one else* bids at all on that prize during the first 24 hours.

5,000,000 125,000
5,125,000 128,125
5,253,125 131,328
5,384,453 134,611
5,519,064 137,977
5,657,041 141,426
5,798,467 144,962
5,943,429 148,586
6,092,015 152,300
6,244,315 156,108
6,400,123 160,011
6,560,134 164,003
6,724,137 168,103
6,892,240 172,306
7,064,546 176,614
7,238,160 180,954
7,419,114 185,478
7,604,592 190,115
7,794,707 194,868
7,989,575 199,739
8,189,314 204,733
8,394,047 209,851
8,603,898 215,097
8,818,995

I mean if it's just a matter of "the auction starts on Monday but you can only bid a set amount until Tuesday" then the advantage just swings to whoever is able to bid on Tuesday.

If I'm here Monday and can put down 5 mil, but I'm forcibly limited to 1 mil because reasons of supposed fairness, and then I work all day Tuesday, then whoever is able to bid on Tuesday can swoop in without the limitation and win that way by dropping any amount of gold they want. Whereas I would have been able to win, if I had been allowed to put in whatever amount I wanted to spend on Monday without the arbitrary restriction.


A forced restriction seems even less fair.