Do you know what's really annoying?
Spending all this time, effort, and gold to sculpt the perfect pet. You make sure that it has hidden traits, high stats, and so on. Then you complete the sculpture and receive the egg. You baby the egg, toting it around for everyone to nurture. Then finally, it hatches!

Annddd... It has terrible genes.

You test it to see if the mutations or hidden traits would make it worth keeping. But alas, they are only slightly better. So you cross your fingers and feed your baby a Philter of Trait Disruption. The themed one of course. What luck! These new traits are wonderful!

But what's that? There are no hidden traits? How can that be? You specifically sculpted it to have hidden traits. That Frosty Glitter is not easy to find! No matter, you can just have the pet retested. Then the hidden traits will reappear. Hopefully...

But no. You cannot retest pets. Does my Zolnixi still have her hidden traits? I don't know. Maybe I could find out by breeding, but that's not a certainty. Either way, this is very disappointing. There should be a workaround for this. Or at least a warning.

Maybe Krin actually meant for the hidden traits to pass on and this is just a bug? Should I post a complaint in the Bugs section?

(At least the traits that I did get were far better. So it was all worth it. Still disappointing...)


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Philter of trait disruption only maintains the number of visible and carried traits (a pet with a vis will never get Disrupted to have two carries, a pet wth two carried will never disrupt to have a vis, etc).
Whether a pet with a philter of disruption used on it gets a hidden under a vis is completely random- they are not carried between used of the philter.

Is your suggestion that hidden traits should be maintained? Consider if someone got a themed pet with a hidden but they really wanted the least dominant trait the pet had as its vis? It would be more difficult to get it on that pet because it would force it to have a hidden, meaning it couldn't randomize to have that trait as a vis until either a new trait was added to the roster of that trait slot or they used a Greater Mutator for it (if it was wild caught)

You bring up a good point. I hadn't thought of that. However, my main annoyance is from having "wasted" the Frosty Glitters that were used on the sculpture. So if hidden traits were maintained just on sculpted/grown/brewed themed, and not on tamed themed, then that should negatate the problem you brought up. After all, someone who wanted the rarest trait wouldn't purposely add a carried trait to their pet in the making.

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=85095&page=1#3 Author: Swirlspot Time Posted: 1/17/2020 at 10:25 PM You bring up a good point. I hadn't thought of that. However, my main annoyance is from having "wasted" the Frosty Glitters that were used on the sculpture. So if hidden traits were maintained just on sculpted/grown/brewed themed, and not on tamed themed, then that should negatate the problem you brought up. After all, someone who wanted the rarest trait wouldn't purposely add a carried trait to their pet in the making.

Except that remember, some people might buy pets. I might want specific visibles on my pets, so I might be looking for some of the rarer traits.

I then might buy a three visible pet from someone to specifically disrupt. Three visibles means I have more chance of getting the trait I want (and other pretties), but if that person added hiddens, then I would be out of luck. I would have to specifically look for pets without hidden traits to buy.

Can the won pets from the boards have hidden traits? If so, this would also mean that if I got a pet from there, and wanted to disrupt it for some rarer traits, I wouldn't be able to due to it being forced to keep hiddens intact.

All those pets are considered 'exclusive' so they would probably all be treated the same.

I do understand your annoyance, and I always thought hiddens WERE carried over, but I don't really see much that can be done without making disruption for rarer traits super hard.

Ok, so for those who don't know- A Themed Trait Disruptor will shuffle all trait points a pet has. The trait points amount will never change, and will stay locked together with another trait point(a visible) or stay a single trait point(carry). Hidden traits actually have no value when it comes to trait points. So they don't count when a pet's trait points get shuffled.

This is why those hidden traits, when using a Themed Trait Disruptor, will disappear. Or in some cases, appear when there were none before.

So, in essence, you could buy a themed pet with no hidden traits, disrupt it, and get hiddens. ^-^

Also, an addition to this conversation:

When building pets in the various building mechanics for the various fests, yes, you can guarantee hiddens by using the items for that, but even a pet that hasn't had those items used on them can have hiddens as part of RNG. So, a person that really does not want hiddens on their pets, but gets one on their built pets through RNG would now be stuck with hiddens if this change were made to the disruptors. On the other hand, if you say 'well then make it so you can only get hiddens if you use the item', well then that makes it ridiculously harder for trait collectors as they now need hundreds of those items (which are now *incredibly* rare) to ensure they get hiddens on their pets. (And, again, how do you deal with pets won in games? Or won from getting a design picked?)

Yes, it's annoying losing hiddens through disruption when you specifically want to have hiddens on your pet. But, that's a risk you take when you disrupt. Honestly, I remember the days before disrupting was even possible. Now that was rough. Get a couple traits you don't like and no one else wants? You couldn't even trade it for something else. Now, at least, you can disrupt as many times as you want to get traits you do enjoy, or at least til you get something someone else wants to trade for.

You know, I thought some of my built pets had hiddens, but I never use those items because I am not a fan of hiddens. I now know why. Thank you <3