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Forum Index > Suggestion Box > Add accent marks to pet names
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LDDarcWolf
Level 70
The Dreamer
Joined: 10/25/2013
Threads: 283
Posts: 4,568
Posted: 6/20/2016 at 9:14 PM Post #1
Hey, my basic idea is to permit/allow pets to have accent marks permitted in their names.

There are many languages in which I like to use aside from English to name my pets, but they get kinda mangled more or less without the accent marks over some of the letters that dictate how the name is pronounced. One example of the languages is Gaelic, and many of their words/names have accent marks that aid in making sure the name is said correctly.

It would be absolutely wonderful for us to have accent marks include into the pet names so that we don't have to waterdown/mangle the name we pick for our pets tha have non English names.

I'm hoping this could maybe happen/be included when Sylestia gets it's new shinny setup.
Homera
Level 67
Trickster
Joined: 2/28/2016
Threads: 115
Posts: 1,599
Posted: 6/22/2016 at 9:34 AM Post #2
I agree. I had a pet and didn't realize that accent marks didn't show up so its name was unpernounceable.
LDDarcWolf
Level 70
The Dreamer
Joined: 10/25/2013
Threads: 283
Posts: 4,568
Posted: 6/22/2016 at 9:39 AM Post #3
Technically they still can be, but it's very very hard for those that aren't use to figuring out things like that. Additionally with no individual pet profile info sections available currently we can't really give the pronunciation directly with the pet either.
I'm thinking of placing a temp thread for me to track their names till things get updated/implemented as it's the only real option.
Deathdust
Level 60
Seashell Collector
Joined: 2/18/2014
Threads: 120
Posts: 1,809
Posted: 6/22/2016 at 8:13 PM Post #4
I think this would be super cool, I too love using other languages. ^u^

But, I believe from a coding stand point things could be wonky or get messed up? And with special characters, especially with character languages like Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc. may show up as those blank squares on a lot of browsers/computers/phones.
Imperium
Level 75
Guardian
Joined: 8/21/2013
Threads: 386
Posts: 5,313
Posted: 6/22/2016 at 10:54 PM Post #5
Going along with what Deathdust said, I think the main reason that accent marks aren't allowed would be because there may be some players (very few and far between on this particular site) who might use the accents to skip around the site filters and make inappropriate names. I would love to be able to add certain accents, but there are also area's where I could see it becoming troublesome.
LDDarcWolf
Level 70
The Dreamer
Joined: 10/25/2013
Threads: 283
Posts: 4,568
Posted: 6/23/2016 at 12:37 AM Post #6
You both make valid points though. I'm still going to hope that potentially a happy medium can be reached.

I was thinking mostly Romanized(like Romanji) or languages like Gaelic, Welsh, French, Spanish(and a few others that use accent which heavily direct or impact pronounsiation) as apposed to character(Kanji, and others)/symble names.

I do wonder then as to why accent marks are allowed for player names as the same thing could happen.
Edited By LDDarcWolf on 6/23/2016 at 12:38 AM.
SparklingGanymede
Level 60
Mojo Master
Joined: 3/15/2015
Threads: 29
Posts: 552
Posted: 6/23/2016 at 3:45 PM Post #7
Strongly agree!

I don't have many pets whose names are affected specifically because I've been avoiding names that would require accents, umlauts, or other special markings, but without the accents Meav and Limon's names simply look like misspellings of common English words.

I would also like to add that something should be done to dial down the sensitivity of the Bad Word filters for names. This little guy's name was supposed to be Ash*taka (with an i there), but because four letters just so happened to be in a certain order regardless of context or pronunciation, I had to shorten his name to Taka. A minor inconvenience, but something about it just had me going :/ at the situation, and it didn't really occur to me until much later why.

I respect how transparent y'all are with site developments, your dedication to the community of the site, and the way you take all of our criticisms and suggestions into serious consideration. It is with all of this in mind and a desire to see Sylestia be the best it can be that say this, but the disinclusion of certain character markings is actually pretty culturally insensitive considering that y'all are making money off the holiday celebrations and traditional fashions from cultures where we aren't even allowed to properly spell their ethnic names.

Meav (with an accented e) is a traditional Irish name. I wanted my pet to have that name because (1) it's pretty and (2) she has lucky runes, a trait that I assume was added as part of a St. Patrick's Day celebration. Why is it I can have a Lucky themed pet, give my avatar a Lucky held, put my avatar in front of an Irish Castle, and dress my avatar in Irish Clerical Robes, but I can't give my pet a traditional Irish name?

Ash*taka isn't a common Japanese name, but it's hardly the only one that contains s-h-i followed tsu, te, ta, or to, and I doubt that Japanese is the only language where similar unfortunate syllable combinations occur. And yet were allowed to dress up in a Lovely Kimono or Oriental Flower Robes and give our obviously anime-inspired avatars Katanas of the Rolling Storms and Spring Lanterns.

The inclusion of multiple cultural influences is nice to see, don't get me wrong, but more than just the superficial aesthetics of those cultures needs to be considered and accommodated.
Edited By SparklingGanymede on 6/23/2016 at 3:48 PM.
Flute
Level 70
Joined: 1/12/2013
Threads: 340
Posts: 12,946
Posted: 6/23/2016 at 9:59 PM Post #8
Just curious, can you guys identify what font is being used when you're on Sylestia?
If you're not entirely sure, you can use this font identifier.
Deathdust
Level 60
Seashell Collector
Joined: 2/18/2014
Threads: 120
Posts: 1,809
Posted: 6/23/2016 at 10:18 PM Post #9
Arial is the font. That website comes up as "insecure connection" on my browser for whatever reason.
Flute
Level 70
Joined: 1/12/2013
Threads: 340
Posts: 12,946
Posted: 6/23/2016 at 11:10 PM Post #10
Ohh, huh. (If others can't use that site, I suppose any font-identifier works)

I mainly wonder because I see calibri on forums and arial/sylestia? (if sylestia made its own file for using font for convenience reasons) in the pet profile page.

As for names that have censored words inside them, I've seen someone ask Krinadon to get the name changed (ie naming a pet Cucumber). Albeit it's not the simplest solution, it is a solution and I'm sure the admins would understand the request. (It defeats the purpose to always have to ask the admins to change names for us, so I'd assume that with the revamp comes a new sort of text filter)

I think this suggestion has to take into account how feasible it is across all the users' computers, font compatibility, and etc.
It isn't a deliberate censorship of other cultures or their languages, but alphanumerical formatting is just the simplest system to use.

From what I see, it isn't so much a question of "should they allow it", it's "could they implement it". If everyones' fonts on Sylestia allow for accented characters, I don't see why it wouldn't be a problem within reason unless those characters can easily corrupt something in the files (which I doubt, but I wouldn't know).

But I've seen some players with screenshots that have different fonts, or Times Roman as the alt font when the site doesn't render properly. I don't use accented characters, so I wouldn't know what characters to look for, but if Arial/Calibri/whatever font that people see supports the special characters that people want, then I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed other than the reasons mentioned before (possible mess-ups, purposeful filter dodging, etc)
 
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