First, let me state where I am going with this- I think when you breed two of the same "themed" pets together, say Aurora Borealis Ryori, or Festive Zolnixi, or whatever, that the offspring should ALSO have that tag. It would help with keeping these themed babies more valuable in the market for resale of the offspring, and just plain makes sense to me.

When you look at the descriptions for the individual pets, at the top of the Genetics block it says;

Species: X
Breed: Sylesti

To me, this really doesn't make sense genetically. Saying that the "breed" is Sylesti is like saying that your dog's breed is "Earth". Sylesti, unless I am misunderstanding things, is the world in which these pets live, right? Then it wouldn't be a breed, its a place.

Plus, it would make more sense if the "theme" could be considered the "breed" in the description, and thus could be carried on to their offspring. I would say that this would only carry if BOTH parents were the same breed/theme, but i suppose there cold be half breeds too.

The geneology section would also show this lineage of course, but as of yet it is not active. Even if it were, I think the "Themes" should be where they are appropriate- in the "Breed" section of the description.


Just a thought! Comments, suggestions, tweaks?

I know you're aware of the geneology section, but if people really cared about the themed pet being themed, they'd check the bloodline, wouldn't they?

I guess this would be cool, to have automatic tagging based on controlled breeding. Though I'd wonder if that's extra coding, to have an automatic trigger come up. Wonder if the system can detect 'oh two holiday pets mated and made a holiday baby!'

The Breed: Sylesti is just an extra slot. It's kinda unused and not much has been revealed or planned for it. Think of it as a vestigial structure. Like the human pinky toe.

I don't think themed labels should be put in the "breed" section anyways. xD If this thing were to happen, I'd like it to be where the labels for themed pets are already.

I want to point out that Sylestia is the name of the known world from what I understand. And the special creatures we catch that have magical properties are Sylesties (Sylesti would be the singular). There are still regular non-magical creatures in the world from what it seems which are not called sylesties.

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=10350&page=1#3 Author: Savynn Time Posted: 1/14/2014 at 3:44 PM I want to point out that Sylestia is the name of the known world from what I understand. And the special creatures we catch that have magical properties are Sylesties (Sylesti would be the singular). There are still regular non-magical creatures in the world from what it seems which are not called sylesties.

What she said :)

It would be nice if themed offspring had a tag. Especially now that the new fancy search is up and running.

I am well aware where "Sylesti" comes from, I just think its being used incorrectly to call it a "breed" designation. But then, maybe I am assuming a classification system that is not there...

In modern biology, the Linnaean standard classification system (you know, Kingdom, Phyllum, Class... all the way down to Genus Species) is almost always shortened down to the last two, the scientific binomial of Genus species (Home sapiens, Canis domesticus, Rosa glauce, etc.) In this system, "breed" is a term used for variations of a species, usually domesticated variations at that. Dobermans, Chihuahuas and Sharpeis are all breeds of dogs, and they can all interbreed interchangeably, because essentially they are the same species.

This is why it seems odd to me to see Sylesti considered a breed designation for all the different species, as it implies they are all one species by the Linnaean designation, which they clearly are not. As you say, 'Sylesti' is more like a higher classification system (on the order of Kingdom perhaps, in our designations? Or maybe Class? Hard to say, and not really that important, except to say that it is a higher order than Species, or even genus). Its a valid designation, just seems to me a bit more broad and general than the more specific term "breed"


On the other hand, the named or themed pets are exactly what seem to me to constitute a breed designation- a specific set of colors and traits that together designate them as that specific breed.

But whatever the classification system, I would still like to see some kind of designation of the themed pets passed down to the progeny of the captured sylesti. Yes you can follow the links back, but that takes time and I seriously doubt many people would go back more than a generation or two. This opens up the possibility of scams (this is an Arctic Storm Griffi! Cheap at a mil! just don't look at the great great great grandmother too closely... she was generated. That last in the fine print of course.) Having the geneology link working would also be great, and maybe with that we wouldn't need it, but even so, I think purebred themed pets should keep the tags of their parents. It would make breeding them that little bit more valuable. And I would think would still maintain the value of the illustrious parents, if not bolster their value, even as six-vis offspring become available.

Maybe I'm just jaded from playing other games where i have seen these kinds of scams worked, and being lazy about not wanting to have to work so hard to check lineages on themed hatchlings, but I still think this would be a relatively easy thing to do, and would add value to the site as a whole.

That's my own personal opinion at least.

"To me, this really doesn't make sense genetically. Saying that the "breed" is Sylesti is like saying that your dog's breed is "Earth". Sylesti, unless I am misunderstanding things, is the world in which these pets live, right? Then it wouldn't be a breed, its a place. "

I don't have any disagreements regarding species/breeds. I was just correcting about the name of the world that it's Sylestia and not Sylesti.


"...but even so, I think purebred themed pets should keep the tags of their parents. It would make breeding them that little bit more valuable. And I would think would still maintain the value of the illustrious parents, if not bolster their value, even as six-vis offspring become available."

The thing I've been wondering about is, if you can have offspring keep the tag of their parents, what happens when they breed with a holiday pet that's not tagged? None of the 2012 Reindeer Qitari, the bulbories from the 2013 Valentine Day event, the 2013 Spring Festival event pets, and the 2013 Summer Festival pets are tagged. I'm actually kinda curious which might be considered more valuable in the end, the tagged festival pets or the original ones that aren't.

The term, "Sylesti" as a breed is correct. Originally, we had in mind to have multiple breeds of each species that were elemental based. So there'd be the plain Qitari (Sylesti), a fire Qitari, a water Qitari, etc etc. You could then interbreed all Qitaries of the different breeds.

However, as the Site began to grow and things started falling in place, doing that would be near impossible and a ton... TON of work.. so we dropped it. However, the "Breed" has remained (for now). Most likely we'll be phasing it out entirely.

Basically, the breed of Sylesti means that the specific pet is from Sylestia. Other breeds would be from other places. But this plan has all but been scratched.


As far as the suggestion, I don't think it's something we'll do. It would flood the market with all sorts of these rare special themed pets and water down their significance. When we do revamp the pet profile page sometime in the next couple of months, we'll be sure that the genealogies will display all relevant data - such as if a related pet is themed or not. This should make it very easy to see if an offspring comes from a pure line or not.

Well, thanks for the correction on my use of Sylesti, then, lol.


In my view, the past holiday pets that should have had a tag would get one, lol, in the "breed" slot ;). but Krin has just said that this whole thing isn't gonna happen anyway, so the point it moot. His game, his rules, lol. I still think that using "Sylesti' for a BREED designation is just plain weird, and for the reasons I stated, but again, his game and his decision how to set it up.


But to more fully answer your question, I think the themed designations would only carry if BOTH parents had the SAME theme. So breeding two Aurora Borealis Ryoris would get a young Aurora Borealis Ryori, but breeding a Reindeer Qitari to a Festive Qitari would just get you a distinctlively colored, no themed Qitari.Just as in real life, half breeds don't get the breed designation, no matter how cute they are. I don't know the coding side of things, but i doubt this would even be as elaborate of a coding issue as the genes, since in this case it either shows, or it doesn't. It won't affect how the pets look, just a simple breed line designation is the only thing that would be affected.


I suppose in the end we would end up with lots more of these themed pets around, since they would be breedable, but that's gonna happen anyway. They just aren't going to have the named designation. Personally I think the only thing not tagging the offspring is going to do is lessen the value of the offspring, and make them more susceptible to scams. The geneology will be incredibly important then, to be able to double check people's claims of purebred status on eggs and babies of themed pets. I personally hope that comes soon anyway, but the more themed pets are released, the more the geneology becomes important.


It occurs to me that this could also be an opportunity for Krin and Fai to "sell" breed designations as well- for those breeders who create unique colored and themed pet lines of their own, they could petition (and pay in diamonds I assume) for a breed designation. Maybe this would still work, I dunno. Something for Krin and Fai to think about anyway. I imagine some of the more creative breeders out there might jump at the chance to name their breeding lines properly.

Even if the babies did have tags, captured themed pets would still be a higher priority since you can use genetic filters on them. The holiday offspring market is going to be "flooded" regardless of if they're tagged or not, so I don't really see that as a good reason not to tag them. All it does is make them more likely to be involved in some scam as greenman said (which mostly just means drama, and no one wants that), and it makes it so people have a harder time finding mutli-trait themed pets in the search. I guess that slows down their breeding a tiny bit, but not with all the holiday sylesti posts in the breeding forums. I think the pros really outweigh the cons here unless there is something I'm missing?