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This thread got me a little bothered so sorry if I glossed over anything and this has already been mostly covered or discussed, but I want to drop this here because I think the fearmongering for this thing is way out of hand and there's a clear bias in some of the discussion in the thread which I do not think is beneficial for public understanding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0A0LyMru3I

As Chubbyemu explains, this virus is mostly lethal to the immunocompromised and elderly as roughly 82% (source: CCDC) of cases are relatively mild or asymptomatic. He also goes over a typical case in healthy, young patient and the current methods being researched and applied to successfully treat it.
While there is a higher chance in Covid-19 to cause pneumonia (which is the deadly part btw outside of any other secondary infection) than the flu, most symptomatic cases are best compared to the flu in regards to symptoms. The methods of prevention are also mostly the same. Wash your hands (regardless if you're sick or not, christ), shower regularly, take your vitamins, sleep and eat well, stay out of public areas if you're sick, and see a doctor if you have serious existing health problems and start having symptoms.

Paranoid stupidity can be just as dangerous as ignorant stupidity, considering the cases making the news now of targeted violence towards Asian populations in the US because of the fears of this virus and misinformation being spread.

As Chubbyemu says, alert, not anxious.

I'm well aware that the younger and/or healthier fraction of the population has a reduced chance of actually dying or falling into a critical condition. Nowhere do I expressedly state that the younger population is at risk (which would qualify as false information), infact the paragraph I clipped from Livingscience would back up your point there.

However, just because *you* (not you specifically but in conext to anyone reading) can or maybe survive, you should *not* be just *okay* with getting sick. Its dangerous to the people around you. And maybe I do seem biased, but I'd like to think rightfully so because I've seen the way some people are treating this.

I don't think I'm creating additional stress that isn't warranted. I have found sources to back up my points-- I am not whispering panicked rumors and theories, I'm only stating the truth. Maybe my checklist seemed extreme, but as I stated beforehand "take it with a grain of salt" because I do understand that those aren't possible for everyone to do. My main hope is that instead of having someone who is totally clueless and fed *actual* lies (once again I don't know how much of this thread you read, but perhaps you've seen the person who said "Coronavirus basically makes holes in your lungs, thats what my brother told me") is to have someone who atleast is well informed-- even if they choose to ignore it.


In the end this is really all my own opinion I suppose, although I try to keep it as fact based as I can.

I would also like to point out that included on Chubbyemu's playlist are sources I have linked as reputable, Medcram and John Campbell (and I *do* watch their updates). Now regarding the US, and I cannot quit repeating this, you cannot have cases if you do not test! Now the CDC had started sending tests out, but quickly found a flaw in them and had to get a different one which they've only started sending out now. I expect to see cases double in the next few days as people can actually get tested. Because there are definitely people walking around with it *right now*, who just havent been tested. Infact, there are actually health clincs who have issued statements that they would "not be testing for SARS Cov-2 because it had become endemic" in the United States.

Yeah, I was mostly referring to that singular post and some of the political discussion. Most of your first post seemed fairly well hashed out and you have your sources cited and that wasn't entirely what I was referring to.
(I did go back and fully reread everything posted after I posted this, your tone did seem a bit anxiety inducing with some of the points, but in fairness a lot of the statistics fail to present a view that non-medical personnel can see in appropriate, relative terms and I think that's what's caused some of the issue here along with the political and media mishandling of the information relevant to it when it was just beginning to spread.. which imo is still sort of ongoing.. Freaking clickbait..)

I agree that some people are definitely being nonchalant about this (myself included, as I never get sick outside of my own chronic illnesses and haven't been as careful as I should be because my state has yet to have a confirmed case), but a lot people have a tendency to disregard something that does not personally affect them.
The real danger in this virus is always going to be the spread and containing it from spreading further or affecting a vulnerable population.That's always the concern with something that is approaching pandemic status.
While it's looking unlikely the virus will worsen for younger populations, there's always a possibility of that with any widespread outbreak of a new strain. (see: the Spanish Flu, similar mortality rate but much, much higher rate of infection due targeting young populations with a lack of immunity to a previous related strain (the Russian Flu) and lack of appropriate treatment measures in that time period, censorship of information at the height of the pandemic, and poor hygiene conditions in hospitals.)

We are in a period of modern medicine well equipped to control such things we already have treatment protocol in place thanks to SARS and other serious infectious respiratory illness. We also have antivirals and antibiotics that are effective at dealing with any secondary complications of the virus.
The best means we have for dealing with it is always going to be precaution and prevention, though, as not everyone has reliable means of access to a doctor or the best health. Good hygiene and limiting your exposure to others should be common sense if you're sick. Doubly so when you KNOW there's an outbreak going on.

I understand there is a real danger in this virus for older folks as my mother recently came down with a case of viral pneumonia in December from the flu, contracted sepsis from it, and ended up in the hospital for a few weeks. I'm not going to argue the severity of what it CAN do, just what it IS currently doing.

It's best to keep things like this fact based and cited where all possible and personal opinions out of it, because remember, critical thinking and common sense are not a skills taught so much as a skills personally acquired. Someone easily impressionable can read something like "the healthcare in the US isn't equipped to deal with this" or "the chinese put this out as a bioweapon" and go into a panic acting like the world is ending without even doing any research of their own to verify whether or not those statements is actually correct.

Just me being a devil's advocate though, I mostly agree with everything stated here.
I'm not a doctor though, I just like to nitpick. Apologize if this was all over the place, my brain's half-working at this hour, lol.

Hadn't had the chance to go through and crosscheck your sources since they looked accurate to me, so I really wasn't going to bother. Good to know chubbyemu did the work for me. :^)

Yeah, the testing is the hard part and I won't disagree it's been butchered to hell and back and there's a definite delay at multiple fronts putting people at unneeded risk and really just making a mess of things.
There's plans in works to address this though, so only time can really say how prepared we'll entirely be to control it.
But as I just said in my last post, there's generalized protocols for these types of infections even if they are not specific to coronavirus particularly. It's not as if our country doesn't have medical professionals trained at all.
We can still treat secondary symptoms and complications after the fact.

But (edit: I meant "my" ...great example right here xD) brain is also half-working right now, and yeah I guess I can see what your saying...except that I do genuinely believe our healthcare system isn't equiped to handle a mass outbreak (of a novel virus...with two different already existing strains of S and L) if that does end up being the case (although I would like to be wrong on that-- but math and growth curves :/). I'm...not really sure where you got "chinese bio-weapon" though-- I don't believe they cooked this up in a lab, do I believe it originated in China? Yes, and I think its unfair that they're subtly supporting the theories that it *may* have come from the US. In other news regarding China, they *did* pass that law about rumors, and I think my criticism on that is just.

(Also I would like to argue that that video from...ah christ Uh...Cheyy smth? I'm bad with alias' my bad, I would like to point out that that video wasn't uh...too far off from your "fearmongering" concern. I mean, not for nothin' all due respect-- but they guy literally opened with two people dying in--scientific-- but grusome sounding ways. I would very much *not* like to hear how my body sabotages itself by clotting the blood xD. He almost kind of seemed to tack that "But hey don't panic just be alert" part on as an afterthought.)


I also noticed by the way that your title is "The Perfectionist" and your a nitpicker xD

There are competent medical staff for sure, its just a little disheartening to see the president say that we'll have a vaccine soon when thats *not* how vaccines work, and a professional sitting at the same table actually spoke up about that right afterwards correcting the president. (I know the president isnt a medical professional but seriously, who fed him that information???)