Hello!

As I was dreading going through the entire bulbori Advanced Search to nurture them for the leaderboard contest, it hit me:

Why not have a dropdown box on the Nurture page to that you can target a specific breed from there? It would help both people doing the nurturing contest and people who want to target nurture a specific breed in hopes of getting a specific Regular Essence.

It's a real pain having to open up each and every young bulbori's page just to nurture them, and it's even more of a pain on slow/laggy computers that don't like having more than five tabs open. Having a species selection would eliminate that and speed things up.

The only downside I can see to this is that it makes climbing the nurture leaderboard easier, but there's only a certain number of each species at any time, I wouldn't think it would make much of a difference whether you went through the Advanced Search or the Nurture page, 800-ish bulbories is still 800-ish bulbories.

(Sorry if this thread already exists somewhere, I don't really feel like going through the entire Suggestions forum to check)

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=85238&page=1#1 Author: Slytherin7 Time Posted: 1/21/2020 at 10:11 AM Hello! As I was dreading going through the entire bulbori Advanced Search to nurture them for the leaderboard contest, it hit me: Why not have a dropdown box on the Nurture page to that you can target a specific breed from there? It would help both people doing the nurturing contest and people who want to target nurture a specific breed in hopes of getting a specific Regular Essence. It's a real pain having to open up each and every young bulbori's page just to nurture them, and it's even more of a pain on slow/laggy computers that don't like having more than five tabs open. Having a species selection would eliminate that and speed things up. The only downside I can see to this is that it makes climbing the nurture leaderboard easier, but there's only a certain number of each species at any time, I wouldn't think it would make much of a difference whether you went through the Advanced Search or the Nurture page, 800-ish bulbories is still 800-ish bulbories. (Sorry if this thread already exists somewhere, I don't really feel like going through the entire Suggestions forum to check)

I mentioned wanting this as well, and was told it would make the leaderboards too easy, but the thing is, if you can have multiple players get on multiple boards every fest, I don't think it makes a difference. (I am not talking about two or three boards, I am talking about nearly all of them).

those players have found a method that works for them, and good for them. However, it would be nice, especially since everyone says that the hatchery method is faster to nurture pets, other players could compete with them, at least on specific boards.

the only differences are that if you miss a pet on the AS, you have a very hard time finding that pet again, and it can be difficult to find newly hatched pets sometimes.

The Hatchery method eliminates that because it only shows non-nurtured pets that CAN be nurtured, but to my way of thinking, that is a good thing.

I know I would probably use this even outside the leaderboards simply to try to 'target' specific essences. Rather than ruin my luck getting essences I will never use, just nurture the pets I want essences from.

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=85238&page=1#2 Author: Jemadar Time Posted: 1/21/2020 at 6:21 PM [quote=1974015] I mentioned wanting this as well, and was told it would make the leaderboards too easy, but the thing is, if you can have multiple players get on multiple boards every fest, I don't think it makes a difference. (I am not talking about two or three boards, I am talking about nearly all of them). those players have found a method that works for them, and good for them. However, it would be nice, especially since everyone says that the hatchery method is faster to nurture pets, other players could compete with them, at least on specific boards. the only differences are that if you miss a pet on the AS, you have a very hard time finding that pet again, and it can be difficult to find newly hatched pets sometimes. The Hatchery method eliminates that because it only shows non-nurtured pets that CAN be nurtured, but to my way of thinking, that is a good thing. I know I would probably use this even outside the leaderboards simply to try to 'target' specific essences. Rather than ruin my luck getting essences I will never use, just nurture the pets I want essences from.

And that last bit right there? That's literally exactly why Krin doesn't want to add it as a feature.

This was discussed a few days ago in region chat when Krin was in there and someone asked about it, but basically he doesn't want to add it because of the potential negative detriment to species that aren't popular. The idea that people would just nurture pets of the species that they want essences of (meaning mostly the popular species and fableds) and other species' egglings and hatchlings would fall by the wayside in terms of nurture numbers.
(the potential messing up of the difficulty/dedication tied to nurture leaderboards aside)

He was of the opinion that if people really want to do specific species nurturing, then they can use the Advanced Search as the slower but species-reliable method, rather than having it so barely anybody nurtures the less popular ones outside of leaderboards.

There could be incentives to nurture 'less popular' species, such as perhaps double bonding (ie, you get two scales instead of one, that would definitely make me more likely to nurture them) and things like that. it could also potentially be automated so that every morning (when there is routine stuff being done such as resetting nurtures etc..) it simply goes 'there were X egglings and hatchlings, and Y were nurtured meaning that Z% were nurtured. If Z is below A% then that species gets the bonuses applied'. This number wouldn't be known, to try to prevent people from 'gaming' the system by not nurturing for a day to get that species the bonus.

I can understand the point, though, I just feel that there could be ways to smooth things out and keep players bonding the less popular ones

(alternative, is only bring in the 'specific pet nurture' during leaderboards and have it removed after, though I don't like that option that much)

I agree, or maybe something like the chance of finding better essences on a random species each day, so people don't just target one specifically for the better essence? Or the chance of finding an avi item, like there was when nurturing cauldrons during fall fest, but on a random species each day so that none in particular get targeted more? Or maybe after, say, five people find the better essence or item that day, randomize it to another species?

It is Krin's decision to not add the ability to choose species in the hatchery nurturing settings. He has stated his reasons and people need to just respect that and quit trying to convince him to do what they want.

This is his site that he made and there will always be things he won't want to do, no matter what.
He said no, so just leave it. :/

I would like to point out that I didn't know he had said no, since I am not in chat all the time, and I haven't seen his stance on it.

Plus, I was just giving alternatives that could help with the issues.

Of course this is his site and he can do what he wants, but what is the point of a suggestions forum if you can't suggest and discuss ideas, even if those ideas won't ever be put in the game. If Krin doesn't want to put this into the game, he doesn't have to, naturally, but what is the harm of discussing the idea. Even if this particular suggestion never sees the light of day that doesn't mean things can't morph into other suggestions. It has happened on Flight rising before, where one suggestion is very unpopular, but it morphs or spawns an idea that is popular and doesn't have the negative effects of the first.

Oh, I don't mean that you should stop suggesting things. You are right that this is the forum for it. I merely wanted it known that Krin had said no. I didn't ping anyone because I was mainly speaking to anyone who might read the thread.

I get kinda, protective, I guess, with people and certain issues. I see people sometimes ask for things that Krin says no to, and then they just keep asking. So I guess I just felt like he wasn't getting respect since suggestions were still being made. I kinda felt like his decision was just being ignored and that bothered me.

I know that there was actually no disrespect and that it's just suggestions to try and help. Sometimes my brain just wants to say something so I do what it wants. Lol

I wasn't trying to be mean or be rude. It was just how I was feeling at the time, so I said how I felt.

ah, okay, thanks for explaining.

I often see the opposite, where people say things like 'this will never happen so stop suggesting it' and while I might wish some things weren't suggested so often, or that people would stop suggesting, as long as the admins themselves don't step in and say 'stop suggesting this' I feel people should be able to suggest these topics.

As I said, sometimes suggestions, in their original forms, aren't feasible due to certain things, but that doesn't mean that in suggesting it, discussing it, trying to figure out ways to mitigate the problems etc.. the suggestion can't morph into something that is acceptable to all sides.

I am also used to, on another site, people trying to negate other people's opinions by saying 'this isn't valid, it isn't up to US to decide whether something is worth the effort or not' or things like that, when to me, since each suggestion is going to take time, effort, and personnel away from OTHER projects, it should be taken into consideration whether someone wants a huge project that people feel wouldn't have enough pros to outweigh the cons and that they would rather the resources put towards that project be put towards others.

I personally would never badger Krin about it personally, just post on a suggestion like this, and if Krin came in and said 'no, stop discussing this and I don't want to see this suggestion again' then I wouldn't post again, nor suggest it (not that I suggested this one). I guess I just see too many people try to 'gatekeep' things like suggestions forums to prevent anything they dislike from showing up and too many people who only want people who agree with their suggestions to post on them.

As I said, I hadn't known that Krin had given a hard no, I thought it was more of a 'I don't like the idea because of X' so I was trying to figure out ways to mitigate X. The other thing to realize is that not every has access to region chat, and I haven't been in it very often lately, and that not everyone goes into general chat, so they wouldn't have seen any chat only discussions about the topic.

I just know that I personally would find this very useful, and I honestly don't think it would affect the leaderboards much, except that perhaps different players would occasionally show up on them due to them being able to be sure to nurture all available pets.

I do agree that this could result in less popular species not getting nurtures outside of leaderboards, and that is something that would need to be addressed.

Since Krin doesn't like the idea, I don't ever expect to see it, but it is still fun to discuss ways to make nurturing more fun and get the less popular species the love they deserve, potentially even something to encourage players to nurture those species even without having a species specific nurture option in the hatchery.

(oh BTW, I tend to write novels when on a forum. Chat doesn't really allow me to be truly as verbose as I like :D)