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Everlost
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Posted: 1/4/2013 at 6:44 AM Post #1
Hello.....I'm not too sure about the genetics on this site.

I understand the basics of genetics, but I don't understand the ones on this site. Could someone explain?
Dawnshadow
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Posted: 1/4/2013 at 2:20 PM Post #2
Let's see.... I'm not sure on how coloring works (I have a slight idea though) but you can assume that the offspring will come out as a color similar or between the parents or something completely different.

As for genes I can explain those. :3 (or something close to them anyway, lol)

Think of a gene as a recessive trait.
It is possible for a plain looking Sylesti to carry a marking/mutation without it showing.

Let's see....

Let's look at some of my Sylesti as an example.

This is Krystal:


This is Roark:


And this is Vernando:



If I were to cross Roark and Krystal, all the offspring would display the Tri Tails mutation.
If I were to cross Vernando and Krystal, none of the offspring would any mutation.

Let's give a name to the individual alleles. T= No Tri Tail and t=Tri Tail. (little t being the recessive one)

Since Krystal and Roark both display the Tri Tails, their genotype can be assumed to be tt and tt.
This means that the offspring can ONLY have the tt genotype, thus resulting in its tail.

As for the Vernando and Krystal cross, some more genes come into play:
Advanced Ruins= A and a
Pixie Wings= P and p
Tri Tails= T and t

Vernando is heterozygous for both the Advanced Ruins and Pixie Wings but does carry the Tri Tails. This means he can either pass on an A or a, P or p, and T. Krystal has neither of those so she can only pass on A, P and t.

The offspring will show NO mutations or markings but WILL carry the Tri Tails and MIGHT carry the Advanced Ruins and/or Pixie Wings.
It's genotype could look like any of these:
AA PP Tt= only Tri Tails carried
Aa Pp Tt= all genes carried
AA Pp Tt= Pixie Wings and Tri Tails carried
Aa PP Tt= Advanced Ruins and Tri Tails carried

Here's were it gets a bit more complicated.
All Sylesti have three slots for both mutations and markings. Some share a slot. Those that do only allow one of them to show.

For example:
This is Xziin:


This is Kris:


And this is Rex:


Xziin displayed both the Tundra Fur (ff) and the Cheetah Spots (cc).
Kris carries Tiger Stripes (Ss), Tundra Fur (Ff) and Advanced Ruins (Aa).
Rex only displays the Tundra Fur (ff).

When you cross Rex and Kris, the resulting offspring can either carry or display Tundra fur and either carry Tiger Stripes and/or Advanced Ruins as well.

On the other hand, a cross between Xziin and Kris will ahve slightly different results.

Although Kris doesn't carry Cheetah Spots, an offspring displaying Cheetah spots can pop up. This is because both markings are from the same area: Gene One.

I have done many test crosses on the generator and none have popped up displaying Tiger Stripes. This might mean that Cheetah Spots are either dominant to Tiger Stripes.

I have a test I'd like to preform by crossing one of their Cheetah Spots displaying offspring with that of a Tiger Stripes displaying one. However I must first wait awhile for them to age... -_-

I think I explained them correctly. XD
Edited By 816 on 1/4/2013 at 2:20 PM.
Rosedawn
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Posted: 1/4/2013 at 2:39 PM Post #3
The colors are done on a hex swing. Each color is made up of 3 different values. 000 (R)| 000 (Green) | 000 (B). You'll notice that if you look at any one of your pets in the stables and look at their colors that every hex has this 3 split. 255| 255| 255 is pure white. 000 |000| 000 is pure black.

If you were to breed a pure black creature with a pure white creature you could literally end up with any color under the sun and moon. The way the colors are figured out is that the offsrping will end up with a hex that is somewhere between their color and their mate's color.

For Example (and let's just look at body color)



This is Anaralah. Her body color is 251| 249| 248. This is very close to white as you can see.



This is Tristan. His body color is 253| 251| 251.

Breeding them together their offspring will have this kind of range: 253-251| 251-249| 251-248.

No matter how many times I breed them together these 2 will never breed a pure white offspring. HOWEVER because the range is so small all of their kids will look white (just like them) without much variation.


Now different example. Let's say I breed Anaralah (251| 249| 248) with my other boy.


His body is that yellow color which is 237| 235| 162. Their range is 251-237| 249-235| 248-162. SO the babies could end up with their dad's hexes, making them yellow, their mom's hexes, or anything in between. Say the baby ends up with 251| 235| 162. That's a very HIGH red hex, so suddenly the baby is going to turn sorta orangey.
Everlost
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Posted: 1/4/2013 at 4:38 PM Post #4
Thanks for all the replies. I understand the concept a lot more.

Thanks again!!!
Oogbar
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Posted: 1/5/2013 at 3:35 AM Post #5
On a subject still on the topic of breeding, but not so much the ascetics of the off spring, does anybody know if the off spring wind up with better stats than the parents, in any situation, such as, both parents start off with 20 str, 21 int, 22 dex, and 23 agi, and the off spring wind up with 21str, 22 int, 23 dex, and 24 agi?
Krinadon
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Posted: 1/5/2013 at 3:40 AM Post #6
@Oogbar

Children will be born with statistics somewhere between their parent's statistics.

However, nurturing and Philters can help to boost their statistics even further.
Edited By 1 on 1/5/2013 at 3:40 AM.
Oogbar
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Posted: 1/5/2013 at 4:18 AM Post #7
Hmmm... that makes me wonder if using the philters, as well as nurturing the off spring, over several generations, would increase the stats... >.> ... <.< ... *Edit* I have the habit of "If something is worth doing, it is worth OVER doing! " ^_^
Edited By 788 on 1/5/2013 at 4:19 AM.
Krinadon
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Posted: 1/5/2013 at 2:41 PM Post #8
@Oogbar

That is indeed the intention
Zirikana
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Posted: 1/23/2013 at 2:12 PM Post #9
Hmmm... So there really is no plausible mechanism for breeding a pet that has pure white or pure black features (or any R/G/B value at 0 or 255)? Seems like anything you do is going to, over time, pull the colors away from the extremes, so by the time you've bred in the genes/mutations you want, your colors are going to be pretty well muted. The only option appears to be enhanced essences or re-coloration. Am I missing something here?
Edited By 1207 on 1/23/2013 at 2:12 PM.
Rosedawn
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Posted: 1/23/2013 at 2:48 PM Post #10
No it is possible you just have to be very mindful of how you go about it. And breeding is probably the only way as the generators also have a swing and you aren't guaranteed to get what you put in. You want to make the ranges as small as possible and as close as you already have to that color. Making a magenta kiddo's offspring get to pure white will be REALLY hard versus 2 sylestia who are already close.

So let's say I have a girl who has a 255|250|255 coloration and a boy who as a 251|255|252. the ranges are

251-255|250-255|252-255. There is a very decent chane that the baby will take the 255 from mom, the 255 from dad, and the 255 from mom. It isn't a guarantee but it is likely.
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