(Don't worry, admins! I'm not another frustrated player trying to blow off some steam. I'm just an observant one! :D)


As we all know, the wheel often brings tons of disappointment to countless people all festival long - particularly to those who spend diamonds on the wheel in numbers exceeding hundreds of hard-earned bucks.

So here are a few potential suggestions.



Suggestion 1: Adding NEST eggs!

Themed Pets are by far the most exciting part of the festival! Not just the wheel pets, but the ones found in the wild as well! It may not be as fabulous as a wheel pet, but at least it's themed, and it's an egg! (So much excitement for the moment it will finally hatch!)

This idea shouldn't hurt the economic value too badly, since the regular themed pets can be found anywhere in the festival zone.



Suggestion 2: Optional Wheel Pets.

Getting a wheel pet is AWESOME! But let's face it - everyone has their likes and dislikes. Getting a wheel pet that you're not fond of? It's a bittersweet victory/failure that brings the dreaded question: 'Did I waste all of my luck on this thing?'

It would be so much more rewarding if you could actually pick your wheel pet after winning! It woudn't effect the number of wheel pets that are won, and unless it's intended for certain wheel pets to be many times more rare than others (Currently, only 4 wheel Lighira in existence, 5 Vulnyx, 6 Griffi, 8 Aeridini, 10 Ny'vene, 12 Nephini, 13 Puffadore, and 17 Ryori! That's over 4X Ryori to Lighira ratio! And them's some pertty Lighi's lemme tell ya!) then it won't be hurting the balance.


Suggestion 3: Add Scales!

The MOST COMMON EPIC FAIL OF A SPIN, usually leads to this:

"Noooo! NOT MORE USELESS PHILTERS!!!!" *dies x_x*

So let's replace those useless philters with a certain number of scales! Their current value of 500 may be a bit much, since all it'd take it two fail spins to get a pet dye and three fails to get a mutator... So how about we call it fair at 100? Turn ten fails into a pet dye! And fifteen fails into a mutator! Sure beats having ten or fifteen unused philters sitting in the inventory.


Suggestion 4: Shady Prize Vendor!

Some of us have horrible, horrible luck no matter how hard we try - granted, luck has absolutely nothing to do with effort! So rather than taking hundreds, or even thousands of spins only to fail every time, how about a guaranteed result for those who are willing to put in some major effort!

The Shady Prize Vendor likes it when other people put in a ton of effort, because it means that he/she doesn't have to do a thing! He/she will take those hard-earned tickets, and offer players something below standard in return! How about... a 1-vis version of the wheel pets?

As for how many ticket is takes... let's do some math!

On the open market, wheel pets can sell for thousands in diamonds, and as shown by the much-anticipated Eggling Auction, MILLIONS in gold! The average on the last auction's wheel pets was about 4.5 million. Currently in the trade broker, wheel tickets hold a value of about 80-100k. Very roughly, the number would be about 50 wheel tickets for a wheel pet.

But let's face it - it's a SHADY prize vendor! Meaning he/she is also looking for some profit! 100 tickets!! Give up 100 spins of the wheel, and get a guaranteed 1-vis wheel pet of your choice. (Maybe adding in the extremely rare occasional 2-vis, just for some spice to the deal!)

With the current market price, that would be approximately 8 million to 10 million gold in tickets (which would only raise in value if people were saving theirs for possible wheel pets). OR, to put into terms of EFFORT: 33 successful turn-ins of the sea shells + one lucky drop from a boss or chest.

Let's do some more math, just to make the terms of effort not seem like a giveaway. The current cooldown for shells is 2 hours. It would probably take about 30 minutes to gather all of the shells, depending on the player. That alone is 82 hours and 30 minutes.

Wheel Pet obtainable in just over 3 days!! If of course you only eat, sleep, and go potty during the cooldowns, and have absolutely nothing else to do with your life that would take you away from the computer screen. :D

So for the average player? Obtaining 100 tickets would probably take more like... 5-10 days, depending on the luck from chest and boss drops, use of tokens for tickets, and so on.

And even then, after all of that time and effort, they'd only be getting a 1-vis wheel pet.

Also available from the Shady Vendor? His/her clothes! Because who wouldn't want to look like this? Or this? Or maybe something like this?




I may add in more suggestions later. Or if anyone comments with a suggestion I happen to like, I'll throw it to the bottom of this post! (Person's name added to give them credit, of course, but I may extend it a bit to throw in my own 2 cents. >.>)

1. Several users have been seeing nests where crates are. Maybe you haven't checked crates or have been unlucky like me? Unless you're suggesting to increase the frequency of them.

2. imo this would make a lean towards a certain design over the others; sure we'd have more of the design that the players love, but...er...I feel like this is too OP and plays against regular RNG/gacha circumstances

3. I like this option. (I also would like to keep the holiday tokens with this option if it replaces philters ;w; )

4. This sounds oddly familiar to the black market ideas lmao. This would be cool. He should also be in a far away area in a map, to make it a challenge to get to him. O:

1. I think this would only serve to cause greater disappointment. You land on an egg and have that OMG I got a wheel pet! only to realize after a moment that it's just a regular pet. This would be a MASSIVE let down for people. Themed pets are not at all difficult to find, so why would you need or want one as a prize when could get something else? This could maybe, be worth it if you could pick which theme you wanted, but then most people would wind up picking the fabled themed, skewing the numbers and decreasing their value.

2. While I like this idea, I do think it could cause just as many problems as there are currently, just skewing the numbers in favour of what's most popular that fest and it could limit breeding possibilities for some species. For this to work, I think the choice would have to be limited some how. For instance, a choice among 3 different ones, based on the numbers currently existing. So based on the numbers you posted, a person who spun a got a wheel pet egg could choose from Lighira, the Vulnyx, or the Griffi.

3. Firmly Against. Scales are super easy to get, and not a worth while prize AT ALL. A better idea would be to ditch the Lesser Philters and simply give the player more festival tokens, and maybe occasionally a free spin.

4. This has possibilities. It would be interesting to see who has the will power to hold out from the wheel for a guaranteed 1 vis wheel pet. I suppose it would depend on if you could pick the wheel pet or not.

I would start to find your rendition of 2 unfair if say someone who was really wanting a certain wheel pet like the lighira would land on the wheel pet only to have a choice of everything but lighira, just because all the winners beforehand happened to choose lighira and thus increasing the numbers.

This leads to the sway I mentioned in my post. x:
It would favor NOT ONLY one side of pets, but CERTAIN TIMINGS where you'd have to be lucky to spin a wheel pet while your preference of wheel theme has a lower number in comparison to others.

Unless you aren't picky with the 3 you see.

As for 3, there are some people who earn scales more efficiently than others. I suppose and hope Krin will find a better prize than philters one day to replace booby prizes lol.

Good point on 4, about whether one can pick the pet or not. I don't mind the choice of wheel pet here because it's just one vis. Compared to suggestion 2, I think this is much more reasonable.

I like all of your suggestions. I've been incredibly disappointed with this festival. I can't play all day long every day and so I can't win anything. I've spun the wheel 7 times and haven't gotten anything besides traps and philters. I don't think throwing in a couple more pet opportunities would be a bad thing. I don't mind working to earn something, but this has been ridiculous.
(Sorry, blowing off a little steam while supporting these suggestions)

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=16132&page=1#5 Author: Bowhuntress Time Posted: 8/5/2014 at 12:25 PM I like all of your suggestions. I've been incredibly disappointed with this festival. I can't play all day long every day and so I can't win anything. I've spun the wheel 7 times and haven't gotten anything besides traps and philters. I don't think throwing in a couple more pet opportunities would be a bad thing. I don't mind working to earn something, but this has been ridiculous. (Sorry, blowing off a little steam while supporting these suggestions)

We can't really set the odds to win every 7 spins... or else we would be giving away thousands of pets.

We've had quite a few players spin over a few hundred spins and in total, we've had 15,000 spins of just the regular tickets.

15,000 / 7 would be over 2,000 pets just from regular tickets. That is way way way beyond the rarity we've set for Wheel pets.

*Edits Xav's first suggestion to say*: Have nests appear often enough that people don't end up suggesting them because all holiday long they didn't see any. I know i've been opening crates, and I only just saw my first nest last night. ;P

Suggestion 2: I have a feeling that this would be taken as skewing the odds in another direction too much.. but wow. Maybe Krin needs to poke the formula a bit? That's a ton of Ry and very few Ligh. :o

Suggestion 3: Even if this isn't implemented.. the philters have become utterly ridiculous. I get almost nil pet dyes and significantly less traps even. Philters 95% of the time or more. Is it so terrible we might get a prize that isn't entirely worthless occasionally? Why so few dyes, mutators or traps? The odds on these feel like they've been dropped to me. I used to reliably get about 5-8 dye a fest, and about 3 mutators. This fest? 3 dye, 1 mutator. I get that it can't have a good prize every time, but ugh. Philters every single time. Heck, i'd be happy to get 5 scales instead of a philter. These things have become the bane of everyone on the site.

Suggestion 4: This sounds good to me. ^^ I like the idea of some lesser wheel pets. I think it would also be really neat if he offered non-wheel-themed-pets with a visable for less tickets.

I am super on board for all of this. Especially the scales instead of philters part. There aren't a lot of people on the site that actually use philters, but now there are so many of them in the market that they're pretty much worthless. Too much supply, not enough demand. So this would be awesome.

Also that idea about the shady dealer is pretty funny and actually sounds really cool.

Support (I thought I already supported this lol)


Hmmm I think I would prefer to see an increase of nests in the festival zone vs adding a nest slot the wheel. At 100 diamonds a ticket, I'd be awfully disappointed to get an uncommon themed Aurleon for that lol. Course I am not overjoyed at getting a philter of vigor for a 100 diamonds either.

I would be full in support of the nest egg slot if it featured 1v non-fabled themes that couldn't be found in the wild. Like they did with the Sweet Kiss Luff or Flickering Vulnyx OR maybe even add in very rare odds of getting a 1v version of past festival wheel pets - this could be especially good for getting those newer traits incorporated into past themes without devaluing the starter generation of the theme. For instance a tagged 1v Reindeer Griff with Jingle Bells or a Mysterious Love Ryori with Skull mask. Since they are 1v it would separate them from the initial release of the theme but still give the option of expanding the trait pool while still keeping the theme pure.


I would much rather get scales vs. philters of acuity, nimbleness, vigor, etc. I am not advocating doing away with the philters of gender swapping, amnesia, prismatic, etc as those are actually useful. But the others meh. At least with scales I can save them up and use them to buy something I can use - lesser genetic mutators and lesser pet dyes. And hey maybe not even do away with the stat philters entirely, but make the odds half and half of getting either a certain amount of scales or a stat philter. Might make the sting of those booby prize wins a little less painful.


The shade pet vendor sounds like a fun idea! But it should be limited I think. Maybe make it so a person can only get one shady pet a festival? That way people have the option of getting a 1v wheel themed pet if they want to work for it, but at the same time it won't tip the balance of wheel pets hugely out of balance thus making them common.