Ok, so this is something that I know lots of people have an issue with: Identifying themed offspring. Hopefully, I have hit upon a solution that will work for both players and the admins.


Originally, it was suggested that tagged themed pets be able to pass on their tag to offspring (I can't find the thread; if you have link please share). This was summarily rejected by Krinadon, due to the fact it would reduce the value of the original themed pets.


More recently it was suggested by someone (I can't find the post again, so if you know who it was, or where the post is, please let me know so that I can give proper credit) that the pure offspring of themed pets get their own designated type of 'Pure Offspring,' instead of just 'offspring'. Krinadon seemed fine with this idea, but he did point out that it would only show up for offspring bred after implementation. Which would leave lots of themed offspring without such a beneficial identifier. :(



~ ~ ~ Solution: The Genealogy Tester ~ ~ ~

Basically, it would work like the Genetic Testers, but it would test to see if a pets lineage is pure and add some kind of identifier to a pet (a designation, tag, or mini image - whatever will work). That way Krindon would have less to program (and less complaints), since the onus of identification is on the breeders. At the same time, player would get what they want - easy identification of pure offspring for sale/purchase, without reducing the value of original themed pets. :D


Plus, an unlimited Genealogy Tester could be sold as a diamond item to increase site income, while single use ones could be made available the same way single use genetic scanners and tester are.

This would be really good to have :) I agree

Would like to hear confirmation from Krin if such a tester is feasible.

Because it kinda sounds like the same amount of work it would take to try and make all offspring before and after the hypothetical pure tagging...pure tagged.

I only wonder because there's probably a data-related reason why trying to get everything before an official implementation of a tag.

After a second reading, it sounds like the solution is an alternative or a replacement of the pure tagging idea, as in the official tag idea won't happen if this route is taken. I kinda liked the first idea.
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Also, here's the typical response for current situation: wait until the geneology tree is implemented, then this probably won't be needed. Along with that, I always figured that if it actually meant a lot to someone, WITHOUT the gene tree, they could go check through the parents, and even if it's tedious, it's the real way to confirm the bloodline in the meantime.

I just googled "onus" for a definition and got "used to refer to something that is one's duty or responsibility." If it really means a lot whether an offspring is pure to a buyer or breeder, it should be that person's responsibility to confirm it while we at the moment do not have an already-in-the-works geneology tree, regardless of the tediousness or inconvenience.

Sorry, that's my two cents. I really do think the geneology thing would help. I only played one other pet game, which fortunately had geneology available, and it really does solve the tagged problem (it traces the mothers and fathers all the way up to the original parent in one tree). I think it's unfortunate that Sylestia's geneology is still being worked on, but I'm hoping it's very efficient in telling what's pure and what's not.

As to the first suggestion, Krin already stated that pure tagging offspring won't happen (wish I could find that thread). Also based on other comments he's made in multiple threads, I doubt he would go through and label all the pure offspring that exist with tags even if he wasn't already against pure tagging offspring.


A genealogy tester would allow people who care enough to have their pets identified as pure offspring the chance see it happen. This way it's still the player's responsibility, but it's a lot more convenient than wadding through a pet's genealogy one pet at a time.

Additionally, while the genealogy tree will help verify a pets pure lineage, it probably won't assist in searches and it will still take time to look through (the deeper the lineage the longer it will take). A simple user tool that adds a search related identifier to a pet will serve players selling, buying, and keeping themed offspring.

Oh, it seemed like the first idea was okay for him to code. I honestly think that a better late than never implementation is better than a never implement at all. Though, I do see why he'd be against tagging pure offspring.

I know that convenience serves a purpose and that's why the suggestion thread exists, but I still stand by my ideal that if someone who's really iffy on whether the pet is pure or not, they should literally go check the genealogy. And soon we won't need to do that, with the genealogy tree (which Krin is coding behind the scenes, I'm sure, because that gray'd out button has been there since the beginning of time so Krin is trying to work on that along with every other piece of the site).

I personally think that pure offspring already have enough going for them: the colors are supposed to be nearly the same (of course with some skew) as the original theme, and usually have more genes and mutations than their predecessors.
I always looked at themed/tagged/wheel pets with a sort of logical view: they're the ONLY pets that are SUPPOSED to look ALL the same (color template wise). So things like verification on dyes not being used on them or tags to make sure that they're purebred, I felt, weren't really necessary, because through some inconvenient tab-opening (which I guess can be more troublesome to people with slow computers), a user can literally check if the offspring is pure or not. If the pet went through 55 generations, I would like to think a breeder beforehand made sure that they were of all purebred lines (because I'd think most purebreeders are serious about their lines in the first place), and it would take 55 generations anyway to get a themed pet to a 4vis-6vis status.

And while yes, I have seen scares where there was one bad nut in the mix and a nonthemed pet was dyed themed, I'm pretty sure, a) serious breeders who want to sell or breed pure figure this out already (this is much easier with the original themed tag now), nipping the problem in the very beginning, and b) if it really mattered that much to me, I would look through the many pages of parents myself (if the gene tree isn't out yet) and make sure such isn't the case.
I remember Xavion was breeding themed ryoris, and bought a "purebred" ryori before the tagging system was officially applied. Once the tagging system came in, she looked at the ryori she bought and the original father was a legendary ryori dyed themed. I believe she went to an admin to help get a refund on buying that pet, since it was falsely advertised as being "purebred". (that's from my memory though, I would probably ask Xav more about it aha)

I honestly think that the purebred tag is moreso a bragging right tag than a convenience tag (and by all means, people will want that sorta thing after so many generations). Again, logically, it's easy to tell if something purebred is purebred just from looking at colors and several (whether it's a few or 100) parents, and even easier with the genealogy tree.

I'm pretty sure the genealogy tree will take down everything, from the mother's 5 generations worth of parents to the father's 10 generations, without having a break which results in trying to search for . At least, that's what I assume the tree will be like.

I don't think the genealogy tester is feasible, but of course I could be wrong because I'm not a coder. But if it was easy to code to an item to track down a pets lineage, he probably wouldn't have said that he couldn't tag offspring already existing. That's jumbly, but hopefully you get the idea.

I am all for putting some identifiable mark/tag on purebred offspring, even if it means a bunch of them are left out. Mostly so I can find them easily in the SEARCH. I'm going to breed them regardless, but it would be nice if I could easily find other offspring up for breeding. So I would argue that it IS a convenience thing, and not a "bragging" thing.

I really like the idea of making the mark/tag similar to a gene. Maybe a type of tag like that could sit above the genetic information? But really, whatever way is decided on would be fantastic, as long as they become searchable. *crosses fingers*

I think the Genealogy Tree will be sufficient in displaying a pet's lineage with one click. If it still isn't after its implementation, then we can take a look at additional features. But I really think that's all that's missing here.