SIX new Aeridini traits!? Ugh..! I'll never be able to afford it!! Do you have any idea what the odds are for this? To get a 1 in 6, SIX DIFFERENT TIMES, to get every trait without wasting money on useless repeats!? (I checked. It's 1.5% chance) For 500 freaking diamonds a pop!? I can't just drop 3000 diamonds and be done, NO! I'll inevitably end up with multiple repeats and have to keep throwing more diamonds down the drain just like the Steampunk Puffs!! It took 11 philters for me to get a HAT!!! And the odds for each individual trait was 1 in 4!!!!



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you can use it on 1v5c offspring. thats what alot of us do

I know it's a pain, and a lot of searching and checking (and possibly breeding), but on 6v pets that you've already added (or bred) restricted traits on, you can use those to force certain traits too. With aeris having three other restricted trait sets, plus their LG restricted (if you've had a chance to breed those in), plus Valentine Lace, Lucky Dust, and Spring Blossoms, I would think it wouldn't be too hard to breed 6v pets with restricted traits showing or hidden in the slots you want blocked.

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to being able to choose the traits. Would definitely allow me to clean out my stables more and not keep a bunch of 1v 5c, 2v 4c, and 3v 3c pets around for the purpose of adding specific restricted traits to finished themes >>

All I have are 6V for 100% finished projects :|

The issue I have is the cost.

Already to get the Neph traits I have to add unwanted Valentine's Lace into a project that I will later have to breed OUT. Which is only an option at all because it isn't a project with wild stats.


I think 3,000 diamonds is payment enough for 1 of each trait on 6 different pets.

Not to mention the countless times people have used one of these thinking "Please remove rainbow... please remove rainbow..." or "Please keep wing mutation.... please keep wing mutation..." Or "Any restricted trait but the gene... any restricted trait but the gene..." Only for RNG to take what they wanted to keep, keep what they wanted gone, and give them a restricted trait they don't even like. I've avoided RTDs like Sugar Plum on the Qitari just because I don't want the dumb crown. Would love the genes. Don't want crown. And there is no other restricted trait to nullify the M2 as an option.

For 500 diamonds? That's a steep price for a gamble that may actually ruin a pet.

half hijacking thread xD

so if i wanted, say, spring arcanist wings on an aeri, i could get a 5c1v (the 1v being in the wing mutation slot) and 100% get the spring arcanist wings after using the RTD?

Ive hardly ever bought the RTDs because it seems to big risk/reward for me ><


Unrelated to above:

Maybe having RTDs that only add genes or only add mutations for sets with say, more than 4 res traits. Like a RTD (gene) and an RTD (mutation).

Yes, that is how it works, Hira (unless the 1v is a restricted trait already, or one of the 5 carries are already from the Spring Arcanist set; then the RTD just won't work). Related to that, if you had, say, 3 carries, then two visible traits that were already restricted (or had a restricted trait hidden), then only the non-restrcited visible trait would be available for the RTD to work with, guaranteeing you that slot.

For example, one of Xavion's aeris would be a perfect example of a pet where only one trait slot can be affected:


Gene One: (AF) Tips (Spring Arcanist's Flare)
Gene Two: (EG) Monarch (Spring Arcanist's Dust)
Gene Three: (RR) Spring Arcanist's Shroud
Mutation One: (DD) Aparajita Tail
Mutation Two: (EH) Elegant Feathered Wings (Spring Arcanist's Wings)
Mutation Three: (BF) Mystical Petals (Lucky Dust)

In this case, only M1 has no restricted traits, either visible or hidden, so it is the only slot that can be affected by an RTD. However, because there are already Spring Arcanist traits, a Spring Arcanist RTD cannot be used. So, for this pet, the only restricted traits that could be had would be Lunar Tail, Natureguard's Tail, or Wind Serpent Tail. There is no risk of any other trait showing up from any of those RTDs

You can null off the unwanted slots then breed to a 6v to guarantee the wanted trait

For a set with 6 traits you'd obviously be nulling a lot more. It's scale-costly but not impossible to choose the traits you want.

Here's the way I'd go about it to use the minimum number of null philters:
- RTD a 6v
- Null that trait off another 6v, then breed that pet to a 6v. The resulting offspring is a 5v1c. RTD that offspring. Because it has a carry of the trait you already have, you won't get it again.
- Once you see what you get, null the slots of the traits you already have
- repeat with all other slots

So it'll go something like this:
RTD and get G1
Null G1 on another pet, breed to a 6v. You have a 5v1c, with the carry in G1. RTD that offspring, it'll get any trait other than G1 (let's say M1)
Null G1, M1 on another pet, breed to a 6v. 4v2c with carries in G1, M1. RTD again, it'll get any trait other than G1 or M1
and so on. By the end you'll have spent 15 null philters and it'll take a few days each time if you wait to see what traits you get. Alternatively you can null 5 traits off of 5 different 6v so you don't have to wait, though it's more nulls spent.


Edit:
Actually now that I've thought it over a bit more, you could do it entirely with 5 nulls o3o
Null off the traits of a male [male because the wait time will be when eggs hatch instead of recovery] one by one, and breed to 6v females. It may complicate breedings a little because they'll all be half-siblings.
- RTD gives you G1 on a random pet
- Null G1 off a 6v male, he becomes 5v. Breed him to a 6v female. Resulting offspring is 5v1c, carry in G1. RTD that offspring and see what you get (let's say M1)
- Null M1 off the now-5v male, he then becomes 4v. Breed to a 6v female (doesn't have to be the same one as before). Resulting offspring is 4v2c, carries in G1 and M1. RTD that offspring and see what you get again, and repeat for the rest of the traits.
Each time you null a trait from the male, that slot is removed from the possible restricted traits the RTD can give you from the offspring.

I know all of the tricks, Skor. But for the pricetag attached to these things I don't think we should HAVE to use such tactics to make these things reasonable.

And again, it doesn't address the issue of things like tagged theme pets with only 1-3 visible traits, starter pets, generated pets, infertile stats team members that were bought from someone else and can't be used in breeding, and other pets people find valuable because they like that specific pet.

If I spent 500k - 1 million gold on an infertile stats pet and leveled and ranked it, I wouldn't want to risk an RTD that can remove any 1 of 6 traits and replace it with any 1 of 6 traits and turn it from "I love this pet enough to invest so much time and effort into it!" to "Noooooo I hate that trait and there's no way to fix it...!!"

If I worked my butt off all fest getting a 3V themed pet with specifically G1 M2 M3, but don't like the M3 I received, I would want it to replace the M3 with an M3, not throw me some different trait slot entirely or replace the G1 or M2.

If I want to upgrade my starter pet, I don't want it getting a trait from the RTD set that I hate.


In those cases there IS no manipulating the RNG system. And I'm fed up with it. It makes RTDs unappealing.

I just am appearing to point out that you cannot use rtds on either essence-generated or starter pets, they're Tamed, Exclusive, and Offspring only.

mmh...
I could definitely see how a more focused kind of rtd could be useful, though I don't know how one would function. I do feel like maybe people would be willing to pay a higher price if there was a kind that was like "g1 of x trait set philter" or something? I dunno I don't use rtds or do much in the breeding project sphere...
Maybe something like the intended LG res trait extraction feature, but for non-lg res traits? So you could take a vis res off of one pet and move that specific trait onto a different pet?