First, I'm not sure how difficult or confusing this would be to add. I know nothing about creating games so please forgive me if this would be to hard. It's just a thought.
Things I think it would help:
Economy
Population
Value
Okay, so to the main point. What I mean by Pairing Up is that you could only mate a female to one male. Or to clear that up,
We have Bob, Fred, Suzy, Zoe, and Maria. They are all unrelated sylestis of the same species. Bob can mate with Suzy, but if he does that, he cannot mate with Zoe or Maria. Suzy can mate with bob, but if she does that she cannot mate with Fred. Zoe or Maria could mate with Fred, but only one.
What I'm trying to say, is instead of... Erm- having a bunch of Taylor Swifts clogging the breeding community, we would now have many pairs of entitled life-long mates. This could help reduce:
Overbreeding
Inbreeding
It would also slow down many projects, including mine. But I think it would overall be a good feature. And before its bombed with "mass breeders would hate this idea" I already know they might. It would make the game more challenging. But for some of us, that's fun :) also, if this worked, breeding grounds could be more organized.
What I mean is, if you selected Bob, only Suzy would be the female choice. Or Suzy would automatically be selected. Like the two were linked together through code. (Aw romantic) or if you had pets who hadn't been bred, it would look like the previous selection.
Lastly, I know there are pets that have already been bred with multiple others. I don't think these babies would have to change in any way, any confusion could be explained to the newbies by the older players. (Thus also improving the community) and the pets would be paired with the next pet they bred with. If that makes sense? Again, I don't know how much work this would be. Or if it's been suggested before. It just popped into my head and I thought I'd throw it out there :) thanks for reading.
Edit: I know others could be upset if a male or female they put up for breeding was coded (paired up) with another pet they didn't own. This could help minimize those pets on advanced search, I think.
Second Edit: Typos
Edited By Watercolors on 7/24/2015 at 12:27 PM.
Selestial
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Posted: 7/24/2015 at 1:03 PM
Post #2
I... Absolutely can not support this. There's limiting breeding somehow to help our economy, and then there's driving the economy in the opposite direction and completely overshooting the happy medium where it should fall, which is what this suggestion would do, especially if there is no way to un-link the pair.
It wouldn't make projects harder, it would make them next to impossible, and only achievable by those who can pay for tons of diamonds, really, either for essences or for tons of themed pets to make sure they can have every single combination of traits desired while having to keep in mind that they need multiples of each trait pair in order to get a full vis offspring far enough down the line.
Not to mention even for those people who aren't mass breeding or doing big projects, the number of pets being bred each day would slow to a trickle that would drive pets prices up far too quickly. I can only see this making users afraid to breed their pets just in case they find a better suited or prettier mate later - at least this is how I would feel myself, and I doubt I'm alone in it. I would also suddenly become completely against the idea of letting other people either pay to breed to my pets or doing breeding swaps, because it simply wouldn't be worth it, and again, I doubt I'd be alone.
This would take our economy from where it is now and make it far more reminiscent of Neopets and Gaia and other sites with horrible inflation, where everything is so inflated it's impossible for people who don't pay to play to obtain anything.
Edited By Selestial on 7/24/2015 at 1:05 PM.
Watercolors
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Posted: 7/24/2015 at 1:58 PM
Post #3
I didn't expect everyone to have the same opinion, and I understand what your saying :) but I can still support my idea, in a way.
As for the happy medium, I understand it most likely would upset some people. But I think it depends on the player. Take you and me, for example. I can see your point, how it could hurt sylestia in ways. I can see why you don't support it, because it wouldn't be good for projects. But lets take the word "project" to the level it should be on... A project is usually a big process with a required goal. A project takes a long time, and a LOT of HARD work. Therefore when it's completed the finishing product is so cherished and valuable it radiates joy and enthusiasm (oops exaggeration.....) I get really REALLY happy when I succeed in a project. I know some players just dye pairs to finish their projects...and as dyes can be hard to come by if you have little income, it doesn't sound hard at all.
For months I have been working on my magma draeyl project.. I started with four essences and relied on inbreeding to proceed. Therefore, if this had been added earlier I would've needed a LOT more effort for my project. But still, I've been breeding and breeding and finally, I'm almost done. No dyes included. (Aside from fixing the lesser generators green instead of red problem)
Back to pairing up, though. I would like that because with all my sylestis I have pairs. I pick out the best of my mates for them and I put them together. Sometimes I breed them with others though, and then I get that "to closely related" problem and regret my descision... I guess what I am trying to say is this would be very helpful with the inbreeding problem, annoying or not. Not all of us are working on projects. Some of us are just playing for the fun of it and the cute sylestis :D
Okay, on to the trickle. I don't see that as a problem. I see that as a cure Have you went onto advanced search for the pets priced from 1-5g? It's TO LONG /)O.O(\ I would love to see those prices raised to at least 1-5K. The economy is bad and this would bring it up. I can definitely see how it'd get out of hand, but I wouldnt raise my prices any higher. -that's just me, though. I see your point :) I would hate it if inflation occurred because of something I suggested.
Then the scared to breed thing, I only have one thing to say to that. Prettier pets overall. People would most likely look over available mates more carefully, resulting in the best possible outcomes. Instead of breeding a large group and selling or releasing thoughs pets that dont meet expectations. (Definitely myself included..) and overpopulation wouldn't be an issue anymore as the income of pets per-day would drop probably by the thousands.
I'm sorry but I can't fully agree on the inflation...um, I truly believe that depends on the person.
But thanks for your input :) it was just an idea, I'm glad you pointed out some flaws, it got me thinking about ways you could solve them. Which is a very hated idea....price limits.. But all that aside, thanks for taking the time to respond, I appreciate it
Edited By Watercolors on 7/24/2015 at 2:02 PM.
Watercolors
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Posted: 7/24/2015 at 2:24 PM
Post #4
OORRR it could be an option in your own personal breeding den where you could pair up your sylestis. Not taking away the breeding ability for others, but creating easier access for specific breeding pairs. (For those with mass amounts of pets who have to scroll through a ton for desired pairs.) instead, you'd only have to select one pet for the pair to pop up. But you could turn it on and off as you pleased if you didn't care about pairs
Yumi123
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Posted: 7/24/2015 at 5:40 PM
Post #5
I don't like it. Most of my reasons have already been stated. I'd be terrified to breed ANY of my pets together out of pure FEAR. Plus, this would make studs USELESS and it'd also knock out a few user-run games [breed your pet with theirs, see what pet has most visible traits or is prettiest] It'd also knock out users who were planning to make breeds a prize for winning things.
This would also complicate things like putting pets up for public breeding. Like, it completely derails that.
Plus, this would just be super frustrating for newer users who get nicer pets from giveaways and don't know about breeding with other's pets. Having such a serious consequence hovering over their heads when they want to get into breeding will only make the newbie experience worse. One wrong breed and they can't use it anymore. Oh! That reminds me, I would be PISSED if I accidentally selected the wrong pet ID for that first breeding! I did that once before because the two pets were one away from each other in terms of ID number, The pet that hatched didn't have any visual traits and the colors were awful. I'd be so mad if a little mistake like that would end up signing away a pet pretty much.
This wouldn't make projects harder, this would make them near impossible. And the buyer would suffer. I buy project pets and this concept being made a thing would make prices skyrocket.
Overall, this would make breeding an anxiety-inducing experience, it would drive mass breeders away from the site, make projects THAT much more difficult than they already are, destroy the concept of stud males, and make things super intimidating for new users.
The issues of over population and such should be acknowledged when the site is revamped and that pet-buying NPC is added.
Mikazukichan
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Posted: 7/24/2015 at 7:11 PM
Post #6
I'm going to chime in here, even though I think all of my opinions have already been stated: I would absolutely not support this.
I have been on sites before where 'marriage' for your pets was an option, and I have used it before when I had a particular pair that I wanted to breed together many times. I also had over 300 pets of the same species to comb through at breeding time, so having set pairs was helpful. However there was also a 'divorce' option, and I used this all the time too. When I had achieved the result I wanted with the first pair, I dissolved the pair and was free to stud both male and female to any other male and female I desired again. If a 'marriage' was proposed between a pet I owned and a pet someone else owned, a message was sent to the other player and they would have to agree before such a restriction was made on their own pet. And, again, the pair could be broken at any time, this time not requiring the permission of the other player. That way, if you wanted to stop breeding those pets together and the other player didn't play anymore, you could get out of the pair without issue.
Having a pair that is forced to be together after they breed once.... I have to say, if something like that were in the rules, I likely wouldn't have played here for very long. It's too creatively restrictive. It requires a newbie to gather many pets in the beginning just to be able to play around with how breeding works, and then when they understand how the genetics and colours work, probably release everything and start all over because they can't switch pairs to make better offspring. And then, because of the restriction, now pets for sale are astronomically high (at least to the newbie). And, because each female needs it's own male, and vice versa, breeders have to be more selective of what they keep and what they get rid of, because stable space is now even more important. No more mass breedings for prizes in raffles and giveaways, newbie or otherwise, because what if you find the perfect mate for that themed qitari next week, but you bred her to make a pretty gift for that newbie who can't afford the 5k - 10k lowest offerings on the sales. New players will run away because it's too hard, too restrictive.
And for those of us running projects.... it would be a nightmare. regular projects.... that I know how I'd do, but that's because I've done several projects already. However, that doesn't mean I want to have to start my project with 4-6 essences when 3 will do the job now. You would never be able to find essences on the trade broker because too many would be needed for projects. So now projects could only be run by those with diamonds. Do you know how frustrating it is to be on a pet site where customs can only be made by those that have real life currency? Especially for those that don't have access to any? I've been there. I left those sites pretty quickly. And may the gods have mercy on your soul if you want to run a themed project... because NO ONE is going to have any stud up for breeding, so you're going to be spending millions on purchasing, housing, and feeding your army of taggeds and highly priced offspring to get the project done.
I just... can't see any proper benefit to this idea, other than making the drop-down in the breeding grounds easier to navigate. And, if this is a problem, name your pairs in such a way that you know who goes with whom and use that to navigate. It's what I do in my massive lists XD. There are already economy fixes on the horizon that would be more beneficial to the community, and far less restrictive, for the economical benefit to really be considered.
So, in the end.... I really, really cannot support this, especially as is. If it were a player's choice, with an option to dissolve the link at any time, then maybe. But... it probably wouldn't be an option that I would use very often.
Jillyana
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Posted: 7/25/2015 at 1:36 AM
Post #7
Im sorry, just no. All my reasons have been stated already so I feel no need to say them once more since it wouldnt bring somethign to the table. in short words just no, for an explonation, look above on those before me.
Wander
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Posted: 7/25/2015 at 1:55 AM
Post #8
I have to disagree with this suggestion too - it would push the economy, population and value too far in the opposite direction. Reasoning has been covered well by the users above.
I'd also like to add:
- Nobody would ever put their pets up for breeding with the public (or, if they did, it would be for an exorbitant cost) because of the immediate restriction if someone did choose to breed their pet with the one up for breeding.
- As far as I'm aware, inbreeding currently doesn't have any negative impacts so isn't really a problem that needs a solution.
- If certain users feel there's some emotional / challenge benefit to only breeding one female with one male and vice-versa, they can self-impose the restrictions with their own pets. The easiest way would be to match names so its easy to match them in the Breeding Grounds e.g. Aries and Aquarius (both star signs starting with the letter "A"), Galahad and Guinevere (both starting with "G" and related to the King Arthur legend), Strawberry and Starfruit (both fruit starting with "S"), etc.
Watercolors
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Posted: 7/25/2015 at 2:12 AM
Post #9
Okay, I'm sorry, really. I'm sorry for putting it out there, it was just an idea. But I do get it now, this got buried under all the No's.... Would this idea be better?
it could be an option in your own personal breeding den where you could pair up your sylestis. Not taking away the breeding ability for others, but creating easier access for specific breeding pairs. (For those with mass amounts of pets who have to scroll through a ton for desired pairs.) instead, you'd only have to select one pet for the pair to pop up. But you could turn it on and off as you pleased if you didn't care about the pairs. Basically, you could link pets together in your OWN den, and unlink them as you please, however it suited you. I often forget which pairs I had thought would go good together but maybe, just maybe this could help that. If you had a huge list of males and females it'd speed things up. And it wouldn't restrict others from breeding with any pet you linked, it's just be a shortcut in your own breeding grounds. A shortcut you could remove and replace however many times you wanted.
Again, thanks for all the input. I appreciate my ideas being read even if they turn out to be bad ones :) I won't bring that one up again I didn't realize it could cause so much harm
Yumi123
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Posted: 7/25/2015 at 6:12 PM
Post #10
THAT would be appropriate. Making things optional makes the suggestion much easier to welcome. I wouldn't mind having this as an internal thing just for my personal breeding grounds.
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