@Celechan,
Maybe. I think once we get the technicalities straightened out, we should start a new OOC thread to go with the new RP thread. This one is just WAY messed up and confusing I think. And it can be a fresh start for everyone. Amber's got a good suggestion about a thread for characters in the Other Fiction board; what do you think?

@Drako,
Not at all! Just in time, I'd say. We're just working out technical difficulties right now before we dive in. Just read around a bit so you can get a feel for what's going on for the reboot.

@Amberanime,
Yes. I fully think sylesties understand english, and might even cross their arms and roll their eyes, shake their head, etc. Pokemon is a good example. I can easily think of them doing all of those things, and I am pretty sure Sylesties would too.

And definately agreed- Magic should be a learned trait, for sure, not a racial trait. My character is a fairy and she doesn't do much in the way of magic. Someone else might be a human who's a mage in training, or a witch, or something. So I'm with you on that. Also, yes, I think a human skilled in fire magic could have fire wings, though otherwise wings should be restricted to fairies.

Furry vs Enchanced:
If a fairy drank a lupora essence, they would have the wings and the tail; and there's a lot of people who seem to like that combo. (seems odd to me, but its out there a lot.) I'd like for the enhanced not to have any special traits, unless it was REALLY subtle. So good; no, they can't talk to sylesties. I'm much happier that way in all honesty.
But I hesitated to make a furry race because then we're getting into tricky territory. Yes, there might be one, at some point eventually, but then it can be argued that there might be an angel race, or a demon race, or an orc race or a vampire race, and by the way aren't there gods, so why can't someone be a demigod, and... well, there might be anything yet, so why not allow anything?
its just opening up trouble to go off races that might be. Which is why it was limited to races that have a canon character, or an animal enhanced version of it.
I vote we use your thing as an actual Rule for furry Sylestians. Sure, they can be a vulnyx furry, (or whatever) but they're not super powered.

And I don't know about voting on other people's powers; but as long as people are very specific about what they can do, it should be all right. I will not have a godmoder in my rp. I will reserve the right to pull DM status and strike their character with lightening if that happens, I swear it.

And will they let us put it in the Other Fiction forum, or will they just move it back to this one?

@Marsandin,
Anything in particular you'd like to see changed? Any opinions/suggestions?

@Cranberry,
Not really. Most of what I was thinking has been said already.
Let's see...
-I agree with the whole reboot, new page(s) thing. This one is a bit of a mess. XD
-enhanced human should not be able to talk to sylesties. Maybe understand them better, but genes don't come with a language. (or language doesn't come with genes xD)
-I do want Enhanced humans to be available as an option
-posting limit(words) is good, makes it more interesting
-Sylesties not talking to humans I agree on wholeheartedly
-Race found in Sylestia= great idea
-Magic being a learned thing I think is great
I think that is all XD

@Cranberry,

I am in another RP that is doing a reboot and a kick rule was suggested. I think this would be a good idea.

@Celechan,
A kick rule?
If it might make our rp better, I am all ears and open to suggestions. What do you mean?

@Cranberry,

My only real problem in the moment is furries vs the only sylestia species.


I am all for using only real confirmed sylestia species, and to be fair, that would not include furries.

So having them in it at al is already slightly breaking that rule and making an exception. What really is up for discussion is in what manner the exception will be made.

Your right that sylestia doesn't have furries, but it doesn't have people who drink essence either. And if everybody can become a furrie just by drinking the essence and get extra skills trough it or even withoud extra skills things would become messy becouse basicly everyone could turn into a furrie at any point. Also essence creates a new life. So would't drinking an essence mean you create a second life form in your body like a split personalitie or maybe one would just die if they drink it. I don't think it sounds healthy for people to drink something that could have created a living being. And I do not believe all it would do is give people some fur and an extra tail/pair of ears.


So I'm against furries created by essence. It is more realistic and simple to just a have a furrie race then. Sylestia doesn't have anything furrie except as item options. So in that light it doesn't really matter if you create on ooc option buy making them drink it, or an ooc option by making them a smaller race.

Gods/vampires etc. should not become species unless sylestia makes them official, and I am actually fine with having no furries becouse they aren't part of sylestia either. So if you make a small furries race tribe somewhere it would be purely to give those furrie item lovers room to use them.

My personal fave option however is still having no furries becouse again they are not a confirmed species in sylestia. And it's true it isn't really fair to those who wish to play a vampire or demon or demi god becouse if furries are accepted then why cant they be? The rule is no unconfirmed species and I think best would be to just stick to that rule. It would be the most fair and less complicating. What we could do instead is just have humans dress up like animals becouse it's a tradition of their town/tribe/city etc. Just like ears and tails are items you can add and remove, the ears and tails in the rp could simply be fake.

@Amberanime,

I am NOT making a new race.
I am not doing it.
I was trying to make an allowance for the highly popular avatar items that do exist. Look at the rp we had. There was a furry girl in it, and she wasn't a godmoder, she wasn't any of the things either one of us worry about in an animal-human race. I'd like to think people would, for the most part, handle it like that.

As far as what an essence would do if someone drank it, my arguement is that its magic. Who knows what it would do. I think the idea of it turning someone into a Jekyll/Hyde Were-monster is certainly possible (ooh. Now THERE is an idea for a villain.) But if its a liquid then someone, somewhere is likely going to drink it. (Even if its got a label on it that distinctly says 'Not for human/fairy/elf consumption.') Because people do that. Maybe it won't do anything but give them a belly ache. We could sit here and play the 'What will it do" game, but the point is, we don't know. Maybe it affects people differently?
On a side note, we should ask Krinadon. Just to see what his response is. I bet he's thought of it. Or maybe he hasn't. I'd still like to know what he says about it though. Just for nosiness sake at this point.

I suppose fair is fair then. No furries. At all. Seems a shame, since now we've just told one person who was in the rp that even though they were a good rp'er, they are no longer welcome, and I really, really hate that. Its more fair and less fair all at the same time. But we'll go with it. Even if I think the idea of adventurers cosplaying as lupora-neko-girls is rather silly.


This brings up other perfectly canon races in Sylestia that should be clarified, then.

To deal with this: To be a playable race, you must (a) be able to dress as it, (b) have a conversation with someone of that race somewhere in the game, (c) it must not be an exclusively 'bad guy' race.

For example...
There are elf bandits, but there are good elves too; they have diversity, they are a playable race and not just a villain.
Dark Elves are villains; but we have not yet seen any good guy dark elves. They do not have diversity and therefore are not a playable race.
There are human witches, warlocks, and evil kings; but there are many good humans too. There is diversity, and so they are a playable race.
Trolls talk (well enough to describe rage and despair over the murder of a loved one,) but you cannot dress as one, nor are they ever actually good guys; so no trolls.
There are zombie fairies and bad fairies; (you can tell the zombie fairies by the ears, even though their wings have disintigrated) and of course, Jinxie and Jaxle and Miri show us good ones; so they are a playable race.
No, you cannot be a vorkid. They don't talk, you can't dress as one, and I don't forsee that one as a problem anyway.
You can dress as a Myconid, true; but at no point in the game do we ever have a discussion with one, therefore, not a playable race.
You can dress as a mermaid, but we do not talk to one, nor do we ever have a mermaid ally. So no mermaids (yet?)

@Cranberry,



But same can be said for other species. One could use a pair of wings from the wardrobe that aren't fairy wings and say she is an angel. She could at the same not be a godmother. Many people would not handle their character like that. This really has nothing to do with it being furry or not. Or mermaid like the new option.


If the rule is confirmed sylestia species only, then it's just fair to stick to that. There is nothing fair about allowing furries but not say angels. There are wings in the wardrobe that could be angel wings after all.

Magic is to vague and to big an area. If your going in that direction you could still create any kind of halfbreed creature just by the use of magic. Magic gives to much options. It's not fair to say to a furry hey your kind of magic transformation is allowed but your's isn't becouse your not a furry. Also essence gives life. Drining it equals taking a life. Becouse you drank it, that essence never became a sylestie. And again everybody would be able to do it at any time. CHAOS.


I understand wanting to give people the option of using all of the items in the wardrobe. But then there would be even more options then just furries. And then the whole sylestia species thing is kinda thrown out of the window.


If you really wish to make an exception for furries then one should do it properly. As a race, so more people have room to play them withoud having to pretend that every single character just happend to have come in contact with magic one way or another. It doesn't even have to be furries, just animal like humans. Then people could use the angels wings for bird like humans/the mermaid dress for fish like humans/ the peacock feathers/ the furries and other stuff in the future and essence which is not ment for humans is left out of the story making it less complex and more clear for people.

(Sylestia species: All the confirmed species and 1 oc species of animal like humans so you all can use your avatar wardrobe items. This is the only exception becouse of popular use of these animal like items. )
If you post it like that it's clear.

If you wish to the essence thing that is your right. It is in the end still your rp. BUt you asked us our opions so I am being honest and giving them.

and my opinion is stick to the rules and be fair to everyone or make an exception that is simple and covers all items in the wardrobe, not only furries. And if you really really want it to be magic then at least let it not be essence. Becouse it's sad if humans are so selfish to gain animal like features at the expense of a life.

Using magic to create them is no different then just making a small race. Both are false only the race is more simple and doesn't make all characters with animal like features ''special''.

I am not trying to take anything away from anyone so don't make it sound like that please. I am just thinking along and providing other options then essence drinking. I really love this rp idea and enjoyed the short moment we did it before. BUt yes back then the essence drinking bugged the hell out of me but becouse you guys already setteld it I didn't really think I could still say something about it. But you asked this time so here it is.

I will be in the rp regardless of what you decide. But my character will not think highly of people who drink essence which prevents a sylestie from living. Drinking essence would be a very selfish thing to do I think.

And yes I also think it's silly to dress up as a catgirl for an adventure. Just as it is silly to drink an essence and turn into a catgirl when there is absolutly no need to turn into a catgirl in the first place. What's wrong with being born human? In that light just putting on some cat ears is less silly then doing something as drastic as turning yourself into a half cat and go on an adventure. What is not silly is to go trough life as the specie your born.

But again, I love this rp, and I support it, and only give my opinion becouse it was asked. I asume that even if it isn't the same opinion it's still ok to express and explain it. I do not like that your kinda making it sound like everybody who wanted to play a furry should glare at me becouse I got rid of it. I didn't. I offerd another way to enter them and simply pointed out that if we take the direction of what you envisiond that technically they should not be there either. so that wasn't really an argument against your own rules.

Don't make it sound like I'm to blame for something everybody will hate. That is not fair. You asked an opinion and I gave it. And I never attacked you. I just explained my logic. I think your reply is a little to attacking and belittleing for which is no reason. I was just discussing things. Not telling you what to do. I did not expect a reply in such a tone. I am in all honestly surprised by it. I tought whe where just discussing things at this point. Not arguing. At least I wasn't.

Sorry if it sounded like that! I didn't meen too!

I don't want a fight. So this will be the last I say about furries/wings/fins etc. (Unless you want me to explain an idea furter or something, but not to debate.) I will leave the decision up to you and follow it once we start the rp again.

I really don't want a fight either, and most definitely not with you, so I agree; let's just let this go. I think we'd all like to dive into rp'ing already!

Race rule is as stated in the previous post, and let no more be said about it; on either side.
Its not fair for me to make an exception just because I do like to see a certain thing; just because it worked before that doesn't mean it was fair. And beyond that, when the exception was made initially it was really a different world then. This way is probably the safest while still allowing for the inevitable growth of Sylestia.

No rule on how magic is used, other than please let people keep it simple, give yourself limits. If the use of magic is abused, we will make rules on what is and isn't doable. Until then, let's keep it open.

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So we've got the rules hashed out.
All we need now is a new Character Board and a fresh start board.
So did we decide if we were going to put it in the Other Fiction board or in the Find Roleplayers board?

Before we do that...
Anyone want to know each other beforehand? I mean, sure, we might all be meeting each other for the first time when this starts, but I'm extending the invitation for someone to be friends/relatives with my character beforehand. We might have to work out a few details; but it might help get things started, too.

Or if you want to have your characters know each other, whichever. Anything to help get this rolling.

I think maybe other fiction? For the characters that are in the rp that is.

We could do both actually. One in the find rp'ers to make people join their character, and one in other fiction where 1 active player keeps track of all characters joining and posts them there. A quick character book we can look trough.

I'm fine with my character not knowing anyone yet.

Totally agree. The finding role players is often used as a place for questions too, (as to not over crowd the actual RP) and it can get hard to check other player's character pages.

As for the kick rule I think she meant something like this:
If a player stops RPing for a certain amount of time (like 2 weeks) with out an advanced warning then their character shall be 'kicked' (or go home for this RP)
@Celechan12, ^Is this correct?