"A white person does understand POC racism, a cis person doesn't understand transphobia, a straight person doesn't understand homophobic ridicule, a normal person doesn't understand anxiety/depression."

Pardon? Yes, we DO understand racism because everyone thinks it's okay to be racist to white people, which is the definition of racism.Homophobic ridicule? WHERE? Maybe in the 70s and 50s but when in 2017 has there been ridicule? No one is spared being ridicules, NO ONE. Normal people? Yes they do understand, it's called EMPATHY, it's the ability to put ones self in someone elses shoes. You don't have to be something in order to empathize with them.

This is why i hate this kind of thing. No one is saying that you're bad, that your preferences are bad, that you are a bad person because of what you like. No One has said that. What i'm saying is why can we just be known as humans instead of labeling people cis, or trans or black or white or normal etc? No one cares if you're not "normal". No one cares if you're "special" because we are All special which means No one is.

In my eyes, no matter what you think you are, you are a person and should not be treated differently from any other person. That would be unfair and actually quite bigoted.

"Cancerous? Is that the word to describe my sexuality and everyone else's?"
No, i wasn't talking about your sexuality, i'm talking about Cultural Marxism. It's like communism but for culture. SJWs, politically correct, dividing the "haves and have nots" etc, THAT'S cancerous.

I'm actually quite open to discussing this more with you civily, maybe you could help me understand more via IM as i see that you were passionate enough to dissect everything i said (of which i appreciate a lot) But for decency, lets move this conversation off the forums, eh?

"Pardon? Yes, we DO understand racism because everyone thinks it's okay to be racist to white people, which is the definition of racism"

Yes, there is reverse racism. But, have you every walked into a room to be called a 'jap' or '******' (both racial slurs of Asian people). I have this personal experience. It's not pleasant, racism happens a lot more towards colored people.

"Homophobic ridicule? WHERE? Maybe in the 70s and 50s but when in 2017 has there been ridicule?"

Homophobia exists. Two or three years ago, a person I know that identified as gay had a friend. That friend was killed because of it. Personally, I've experienced it too. I've been called '******' and bullied because of the fact I'm bisexual. I've missed out on a lot of experiences because people don't include me.

"Calling someone what they are is not ridicule, it's just a fact."

So calling me '******', 'gay', 'lezbo', 'too queer', 'just confused', 'trying to be special', is just a fact? So calling me a derogatory term is just a fact?

"Normal people? Yes they do, it's called EMPATHY. "

Yeah, empathy is a thing, but it doesn't give you the exact feeling. I've struggled with depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts before. Some people have /no/ idea what that feels like.

If I have a friend, that breaks a bone for example. I can fell empathy, but I don't know what it is like since I haven't broken a bone.

"Children don't need to be sexualized by society... And there are lots of examples ;^; "

Children shouldn't be sexualized because that is pedophilia. But, why is teaching them that there are gay people bad? Kids could care less. They shouldn't be raised that heterosexuality is normal, they should be raised that all sexualities are normal. They should learn it's wedding, not a "friendship wedding" or a "gay marriage". Kids should be exposed to it.

"And this obsession with sexuality and pronouns. If you look like a girl or a boy, i'm going to call you as such"

That's fine. But just be aware that people could take offense to that. Yet, what makes them look like a boy or girl? Is it hair length? Structure? Speech? Clothing?

if you ask nicely, i'll tolerate your "preferred" pronouns

Don't tolerate my pronouns, use my pronouns. They aren't yours to choose. You shouldn't just 'tolerate' them, you should use them and support the person.

but it should never be assumed that you'll be treated differently.

You should assume that I'll be treated differently. I should assume that, I should be treated differently. Just because homophobia exists now, doesn't mean it will in the future. I will assume I will be treated differently, because it is right. I can tell my grand kids in 50 years, that there was a time where people would be ridiculed for using different bathrooms.

Listen, i'll read over this in a second but can we please stop with the "i'm going to quote you and reply to this exact quote" thing? This isn't how people interact with each other when discussing a topic. Especially something like this. Want to avoid a flame war from other people that might get involved, ya know? I'm in the chat room so if you'd like to continue, please by all means, instant message me! <3

(sorry, just got done reading this and the thing that stood out to me was:

"I can tell my grand kids in 50 years, that there was a time where people would be ridiculed for using different bathrooms."

This is why it is cancer... No one is thinking of the children)

Yes, we are discriminated against. Straight people, in very liberal areas, often do not see the discrimination, because there isn't any in that area, or they just don't notice it because it does not effect them. However, I personally have been told to commit suicide because of my sexuality.

Yesterday, I was at a party with some of my friends, and one of them was being extremely disrespectful, and saying, "I don't see how people can get confused about this. (Their gender). All you have to do is look down there." I tried to explain to him that gender is not necessarily your biological sex, and that it isn't a choice or matter of "looking down there." He wouldn't listen, and it ruined the whole party for everyone.

This thread is about offering support to LGBT+ individuals, not discussing dirty things, because, like you said, there are children on here. (Even if they are not allowed to be.)

And didn't you also just do what you said we should stop doing? Replying to an exact quote?

well thank you for understanding where i'm coming from, not many people do but it's whatever.

I'm sorry that people are jerks but, why would you care if someone calls you a bad name? Or wants you to kys? They don't matter, those people don't matter. You shouldn't care about what others think of you or call you because they ultimately have NO power over you <3 Sure it sucks, but everyone experiences bullying at least once in their life but what matters is how you deal with it. "rubber and glue" anything bad you say bounces off of me and sticks onto you.

I would get more into how i think but, again, don't want to "offend" anyone. Mostly because i respect the creators of Sylestia and also, it's a very touchy topic to begin with.

But again, thank you for being civil and tolerant of me. That's all.

I think it is up to the LGBT+ community to try to educate people. That doesn't happen if we just get angry at each other.

I agree with rubber and glue, but sometimes, things just hurt. The guy at the party yesterday was my best friend. When your best friends hurt you, sometimes outside support is needed. I didn't expect that kind of behavior from him, and it caught me of guard. You can try to have a rubber and glue approach, but I have noticed that when I try that, I end up bottling up my emotions and hurting myself.

Well it's a different issue when it's your friends... Should you really be with a friend like that? Is it worth it? Does it happen often? Have you TOLD him how that made you feel? These are the questions i ask whenever something like that happens to me. It takes away from feeling hurt and rather solving the problem or at least, work through it.

This is the first time he has done something like that. He's a nice guy, but it is difficult for him to see outside of his own scope. And that scope is straight, white, cisgender and 15. I hope he will mature a little so I can express my issues to him. He treats life like a joke.

But he's also very nice, and he doesn't mean to hurt anyone. I was bullied for years, even before I came out, and at my new school, he was one of the first people to accept me for who I was and be my friend.

Straight, white and cisgendered? No no no, like you said, he's 15. That's how most 15 year olds are, "edgy", Most guys that age are immature and it's normal. It's not because he's white or straight, it's because he's a 15 year old guy! xD I just find it really silly that people think just because someone is straight, they automatically think differently or they way they think is Because they are straight. It would be like saying, "oh well... He doesn't understand because he's a gay, black, trans person." It sounds reeeeeeeeeeeally bad doesn't it? <x3

I guess what i'm saying is, he's a dumb 15 year old guy and that one shouldn't judge people because of their gender, sexuality, and race. That would give them an excuse to be a jerk! xD And it would take all of that responsibility of controlling themselves away, leading to more jerks ;w;

So, again, it hurts. Sit in the pain, feel it and don't run away from it because it'll make you so much more stronger in the end. Tolerate your friends being dumb sometimes but if it gets too bad.. Maybe... Maybe you should stop being friends, yeah?

Oh dear. Seems like you misunderstood me. All I meant by straight, white, and cisgender is that he didn't have to struggle with ridicule as much as other people. After all, I am a mostly straight, white, cisgender female. I have no vice against people who are any of those things. Sorry I didn't make myself quite clear enough.

I'll probably spend less time with him if he continues to act this way.


And not just 15 year old guys are dumb. I think mainly 15 year old people in general are dumb. Their brains aren't quite developed yet.