One does not NEED daimonds, but the game sure becomes less fun when you cant get to those special items and stuff only daimonds can buy and you have to watch others being able to buy those things. Example Stables, nets that dont miss, amnesia philter, enhanced essence and monthly clothings. People who can't afford daimonds can't buy these things. That makes things harder, and less fair. Those items should be available to all loyal players. Not only to those that can spare money. So either there should be more gold so people can buy daimonds in the trade broker or they should lower the price (the gold asked now n the broker for daimonds is unreasonable). long 12 hour missions level 25 can only get you 6000 gold. Buy one purple net and one green one and the gold is gone. Then you use the nets and chances are you capture nothing because those nets don't capture a lot. Poof 12 hours down the drain, and 6000 gold as well in a matter of a few seconds. People with money can buy enhanced essences. People who dont have it can't no matter how often they play and how loyal they are to the game. They have to depend soley on luck or have to spend months worth of gold collecting to buy daimonds in the broker. That just doesn't feel right to me somehow.

I just think the game would be more fun for everybody if they where able to get the stuff they want or need a bit easyer.

Like I said earlyer a temp chance in the gold system could be a solution. Give people more gold now in region 2 then they would in region 2 once the all regions are open.

Again not attacking anybody just to be clear. I apolegise if it feels that way.
I am Just trying to make this game even more fun to those who are a bit let down and sad because of this gold/daimond shop ishue.

I'm just gonna say this in response to the "values" around the boards and whatsuch.

1. You don't have to buy essences strictly from the broker. Yeah, an essence you want may be 44k in the broker, but take a peek into the Item Auctions board. A lot of people sell essences for MUCH cheaper than that. (I, for example, have a permanent shop set up where ALL regular essences are a flat 20k each, and ALL enhanced are 80k, regardless of species). I've seen people sell as low as 5k. And if you drop into chat, there are other players who have flat out GIVEN essences to people who want them.

2. Diamonds. These are a pain in the butt to get if you don't have cash, and often they ARE overpriced. Trust me, I complain about it, too. But you have to realize that what you're asking is that people who have paid THEIR hard earned cash are making their cash available to YOU. They're pricing these things at how they value the CASH they just put into the site. These people are making it possible for those of us who DON'T have cash to get Diamonds. They don't have to do that. They don't have to give you their money, but they are. And sometimes, if you get really lucky, you'll find a steal on there. I talked to someone recently who found batches of 100 Diamonds for 1.5k each (which is HALF of what most sellers are pricing them)!

3. I feel most people are worried about the cosmetic items of the Avatar Shop over the useful items in the Diamond Shop, but let's focus on Diamond Shop items first. Masterful Snare Traps GUARANTEE the capture of ANY PET. Rarities that haven't even been released yet can be caught with this trap, and it GUARANTEES that you catch it. No fainting, no fleeing. Stumble across an AMAZING Mythic pet later in the game? You can have it, 100% guaranteed. I think that justifies a 500 Diamond price tag. Philters of Amnesia are really only needed if you buy a pre-named pet that you just absolutely CAN NOT live without. They're superfluous, really, and also about as cosmetic as avatar items. The Exceptional Scanners and Kits are EXTREMELY useful, and in the long run you end up saving a lot more than you spend if you buy one, but that doesn't mean you can't get pets tested. Users all over the site offer cheap (or even free) testing services, and if you feel it's a hassle to have to sell your pet to someone to test it and buy it back, I can tell you the process takes less than 30 seconds. If that's too much work then I don't know what to tell ya. Philters aren't entirely necessary. They're also incredibly cheap (all things considered), but they also GUARANTEE a change in something. And again, with essences, just refer back to #1.

4. Avatar items are purely cosmetic. If your whole gaming experience here is solely fixated on what your personal avatar looks like then this may not be the place for you. There is so much more to this site than getting the "super awesome, special, one-time outfit." That being said, you'd be amazed how many people will sell or be willing to let you borrow these. Not to mention there's an entire month to try and get a hold of these items. If you can't come up with a couple hundred thousand gold to buy a set, or to build up enough Diamonds to buy it from the shop, then you're just not playing right. Sorry to have to put it that way, but if I can manage to come up with 250 Diamonds in two days on 600k then other people can, too. You have to be proactive in your experience here. That means doing regular Missions every day and maybe selling some of your own unwanted items and pets. Or heck, you can trade unwanted items for the ones you want. The people here are really nice and supportive. They can work with you if you are willing to talk with them. You don't NEED Diamonds to get avatar items; there's other ways to get them.

Yes, gold is hard to accumulate in such large numbers, but it's not impossible, either. You have to work just as hard raising gold as other users have to put in at JOBS to make what they earn. It's only fair. You can't really expect other people to say "Oh hey, I just put in a 36 work week. I'm gonna buy $40 in Diamonds, keep $20 myself and sell the other, but I'm gonna practically give it away for 100k!" You might get lucky and find someone willing to sell 2500 Diamonds for 100k, but I highly doubt it. I'm not saying the system is perfect, but you do have to look at what people are offering and what THEY had to do to get the items.

All that said, my best advice is to talk to people. You have no idea what people might be willing to do around here. Shop around, look in threads, meet people, and ABOVE ALL: Use the chat feature. There's a general chat window where EVERYBODY can interact (it's the general chatroom feature on your chatroom bar). I don't know what I would have done without most of the people who frequent that room, but i can say I've made a lot of progress being a part of it. If you're too shy to come out of your shell enough to come and chat then that's something you'll have to get over. If not? Well... you can't say nobody ever tried to help you. Because you never asked.

The one line I agree with.

Because I'm one of those people that give out stuff on general chat. lol

I'm a big believer in supply and demand. For the most part, I feel that the two work very well together and to let them work its course. If players price their diamonds at a certain value that buyers feel is too high - don't buy them. If they can't sell at that price, they will lower it. This goes for any item, not just diamonds.

As the community gets larger, prices for items will become more balanced as more and more items will become available. Prices will be easier to gauge because more will be sold per week. This will also gives sellers better insight on what an item is actually worth and not overprice it.

For gold, giving users more gold will not solve anything. More gold in the system means prices go up. If I have 100k gold, I'm more willing to buy crap for 5k a piece. If I only have 20k gold, I probably won't spend 5k per item willy nilly. So simply adding more gold into the system won't really change anything.

As far as long-term inflation, you have to keep in mind that a lot of items are obtainable at Level 1. You can find Essences anywhere on the Site basically. You don't even need to explore.

If the price of an Essence is 44k, you can also find that Essence and sell it for 44k.

Long term, if essences become hundreds of thousands of gold or even millions... well, when you find one, you can also sell it at that value.

In terms of World of Warcraft, I played vanilla WoW and back then 200g was a lot. If you had 2000g, you were super rich. Now? I can farm 1000g in 15-30 minutes. Even 100k gold isn't considered much anymore.

The longer a game is active, more gold is created into the global economy and there's very little you can do to stop it. Unless a Level 250 item will be worth as much as a Level 0 item, we have to increase the amount of gold you can earn from playing at Level 250 than you can at Level 0. Otherwise, everyone will just make Level 0 pets and run Level 0-25 Missions. What's the point of doing the higher level missions if the rewards are the same?


I think this thread has been split into two issues. One, is the complaint of prices being too high - both site and player. I addressed the site prices in my first post and to re-iterate, player prices are demand driven. If something is worth x amount, users will sell it for x amount (on average). That's the market value. I think Shadowphyr's post does a good job of addressing this issue.

Secondly, inflation is going to happen and there's little you can do to stop it. We have a decent amount of gold sinks in game already to slow inflation as well as more planned for the future. Yes, the price of Essences in a year will be much higher than they are now. But that also means that when you obtain one, you will earn more gold than you do now. It's a trade-off that is fairly even.

And again, to go back to WoW, a Hyacinth McCaw in 2006 was worth ~1k gold. Now? It's worth at least 20k, if not all the way to 50k gold (depending on the server). Same item, same drop rate, yet it's worth 2000%+ more after 7 years. It happens. There's not much games can do to stop inflation other than making new content worthless to play b/c the rewards are the same as old content.

I hope all of this makes sense and that you can understand the reasoning behind our prices and visions for the future.

I understand that people buy daimonds and that when they sell them they would like lots of gold in return.

My ishues lies that for those of us who don't have money to spare they simply wont be able to buy those fun items in the daimond store.
This is all like if your rich you can buy enhanced essence if not well to bad. You can buy daimonds in the broker.

Which is so not a fair thing to say. The broker daimonds are way to expensive for a lot of players. It's like you are telling a couple with2 kids with a normal to low income that they can in fact buy that miljon dollar villa if they work hard and save a lot of cash. Possible but not realistic. At least not now.

What if People simply can't affor the daimonds, not in real life and not in the broker then what? Though luck? You could ask people for daimonds out of the kindness of their hearts? Some people around here are that nice yes. But the rules say you are not allowed to ask for things to be given.

At the moment with the game not running the way it one day will, the daimonds are just not fair to people who would like a net that wont lose a pet, an enhances essence which is very hard to get, etc.

Right now this game favors those with money. That is something that just doesn't feel right to me. People with less money should have the same options. Maybe a new shop can be made like a trading shop or a points shop.

In the second region you can collect those badges to buy things. That is fair. Everybody has to work to get those badges. You could make a shop next to the daimond shop with the same items as the daimond shop only you can buy those items with the points or badges you collect playing the game. That way it is TRULY for loyal players. You dont have to be a loyal player to buy daimonds you just have to have money. Badges or points are things everybody can earn with time and dedication. The daimond shop could still be, it would be a shortcut for those who can't wait to earn the badges or points.


At least concider the badges/points shop. It could be a solution to the problem. And real loyal players are rewarded when they earn those points and badges. Everything will be available for everybody with time and love for playing the game. It won't feel like only those with spare cash can buy those nice things. It would feel so good to know you could buy those things as well if you play those quests and yourney trough sylestia. PLaying the game becomes the way for getting items. Not opening your wallet or having luck in gamble game (jixie's game) or meeting that nice person who wants to just give you an item like that, or being all buisniss like and buying daimonds in the broker who are priced different by almost everybody selling them and unaffordable to a lot of players.

Thank you for your time, Hope that it will be considerd (badges/points shop with daimond shop items)

@Amberanime,

One thing that you are not understanding is that it costs us money to run Sylestia. We also run Sylestia for a living - this is our only job.

If all items in the Diamond Shop were easily obtainable without paying a penny, hardly anyone would buy Diamonds. If there's no value to the items in the Diamond Shop, nobody would want them.

Additionally, it is 100% possible to obtain all of the items in the Diamond Shop without paying any money. Multiple users have tons of Diamond Shop items without buying Diamonds. They simply play the game and have for a few months.

Furthermore, through events like the Spring Festival, we make all sorts of neat items obtainable to everyone at no cost. We pay to commission all of the items, yet place them in the game for free. We rely on Diamond purchases to do this because otherwise, we would have no money and could not support Sylestia.

Throughout this event, I alone have collected almost 3 dozen Spring Surprises. I've seen other users with over 70. Those items have a great chance of giving all sorts of nice things including Essences, Enhanced Essences, and rare Avatar Items that can be sold for hundreds of thousands of Gold or traded for Diamonds.

So in conclusion, you have to realize that Sylestia costs money to run and as the developers, we rely on diamond purchases to run Sylestia. Additionally, there are numerous methods of obtaining virtually every single item in the Diamond Shop in one way or another.

Many, many other Sites nickle and dime the crap out of their players. We have gone beyond out of our way to avoid doing that. Some Sites require a subscription. Some Sites make it so the only way you can create pets is by paying. Other Sites make your pets die. The list goes on and on. I feel that Sylestia is one of the best, if not the best, Sites for those who do not wish to spend a penny and still have fun. And I am sorry that you disagree with that.

You misunderstand me.

I do understand now if this is your only income. But than you should not say that loyal players will be able to buy those items. Because it takes more then being a loyal player when your new or simply don't have time to play 24/7. Than just say so that you need the money to get by and that this is your income. Than it is perfectly understandable (Still unfair to players with no money, but when this is your only income I understand you can't be fair to all, you need to be able to pay your bills, and in that light I am forced to agree with you. I would not want you guys to go bankrupt! So I am sorry for pushing that matter.)
For the record, I also think this is one of the best online games out there. Sorry if I made you feel this wasn't the case. I run away from a lot of online games.

You guys are doing an amazing job and I can only apploud you for it. But it just tickels me wrong when people say if you play the game a lot you will be able to buy all those things. I play this game a lot, many people I know play this game a lot, and they can't buy it. Just say it as it is and all is fine. You need that money. That is ok. People with a normal shop do too. Now I have way less ishues with it.

Just if people ever pm you about this stuff again just tell them that from the start. And most will leave it be a lot faster. I will leave it be now, and just hope I will earn enoug gold soon too buy daimonds.

Thanks for taking the time to write a well written response. I appriciate it when people do that.

Sorry to have botherd you, I will drop it now. I hope this place becomes such a huge succes you guys become rich!
Maybe then the prices for daimonds will lower.... lol just joking don't glare at me!!

Happy day to all of you

(sorry for typo's I am dyslexic)

Hey, Just chiming in!
It seems like the price of diamonds tends to drop during events like these. Before the Easter Event the price of diamonds was about 5k maybe 4k, if you're really lucky 3.5k each, currently on the exchange they are down to about 2.4k each which is extremely lucky! Speaking from experience here, it probably has to do with the fact that since it's an event, and there are a lot of items to be bought, and you would get more Items with gold than you would with diamonds.

History of Exchange Transactions:

Total Diamonds Traded: 50,616
Total Gold Traded: 45,088,887
Exchange Rate: 891 Gold per Diamond

That's an awful lot of Gold and Diamonds exchanged after only <4 Months. And that rate is very low.

Thanks makeshift, you seem to be right. So if you want to buy daimonds you could save up for an event and then buy them a bit cheaper. Though I would need to save a lot. Don't know If I can with wanting to breed, quest, buy pets and items in the broker like essence, and tabs the more tabs the more pricey so saving is a tough job. But none the less, this info is very nice of you to share. I will keep it in mind next time there is an event.

Thank you