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Forum Index > Q&A (Newbie Friendly) > Why are females valued higher?
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Yumi123
Level 60
The Kind-Hearted
Joined: 12/19/2012
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Posted: 11/18/2014 at 12:18 AM Post #1
Recently, this has really been racking my brain. I've never really thought about or questioned it until now.

Why are female pets valued higher than males?

I mean, females have to recover so when your pet is the female, you only get one egg. But if your pet is the male, you can breed all you want!

So why do I see so many "Female +150K" on threads and such? Why is the limited sex valued higher?

Also, I had better not see anything about sexism against me- this is something that I've seen all over the place and that has made me really curious because I can't see why things on here would be that way. No moral questioning.
Flute
Level 70
Joined: 1/12/2013
Threads: 340
Posts: 12,946
Posted: 11/18/2014 at 12:31 AM Post #2
warning: it comes off as pedantic and lecturey, I'm sorry ;____;

I mean, females have to recover so when your pet is the female, you only get one egg. But if your pet is the male, you can breed all you want!

Precisely that, in this way, in this game:

To get a 6vis pet (or whatever many you want), you need to have combinations of as many 6trait pets coming together as possible.

To get as many pets as possible, you need to breed as much as possible (and get many outcomes).

A male can breed to many females with no recovery.
A female can only breed once, and go on 3 or 7 day recovery.

Because of this, one male can breed to many females, and have many outcomes within a day.
However, if you have many males but one female, you can only have one outcome per 3 days (or 7).

In this way, females are more valued, because they add another possible outlet of outcome. Because they have the 3 (or 7) day restriction to one outcome, people make up for it by having more females, for more outcomes.

That's why "studs", or males with lots of traits (3vis+, 6carry, or just a lot of GP), have a lot of children. Because in order to have optimal multi-trait offspring, they're bred with many females. The result is many offspring (benefit of having many females) that has the male's traits (which are important).

But anyways, it's easy to to breed one male to many females. That's why males are a default price, whereas the females, which are needed more to generate more offspring, have a higher price.

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Example:

You want a 6vis pet.
At your disposal, you have:

a) 2 males with 6 traits, and 2 females with 6 traits
Given all 4 are unrelated.

You can breed those together, resulting in possible outcomes of 2 offspring with 6gp, more or less. (Not even guaranteed.)
In order to get to 6vis, you have to keep trying, with more successive breeding, towards a good combination of traits to finally get a 6vis.

Waiting for the females to recover takes time. Your males can still breed though.

To speed up the process, you can get/buy/generate more females. Say you make 2 more females.
b) 2 males, 4 females
Your 2 males can breed to those 2 females, resulting in 2 more eggs.

And for some crazy breeders:
c) 2 males, 10 females

In 1 day where you breed everyone, you can get:
a) 2 eggs
b) 4 eggs
c) 10 eggs


Wait 3 more days (or 7), after recovery, and breed again, you'll have a total of:
a) +2 eggs (4 total)
b) +4 eggs (8 total)
c) +10 eggs (20 total)


And another 3 or 7 days:

a) +2 eggs (6 total)
b) +4 eggs (12 total)
c) +10 eggs (30 total)


Now, say you reversed it, and got more males:

d) 4 males, 2 females
e) 6 males, 2 females
f) 10 males, 2 females


Those 2 females can only output 2 eggs per 3 (or 7) days:

d) 2 eggs
e) 2 eggs
f) 2 eggs


d) +2 eggs (4 total)
e) +2 eggs (4 total)
f) +2 eggs (4 total)


The growth is still the same, no matter how many males you have, because they can only breed to one female at a time.

Breeders know that in order to get 6vis (or whatever have you) in the end (the offspring), the most efficient way to get as many tries as possible is to have as many offspring as possible.
So breeders look for more females than males.
Breeding in general restricts the females, so in general, it creates a need for more females to create more offspring, so more demand for females. So breeders end up pricing the females higher, since they're generally the means to more offspring.

--

To further explain why females are demanded more, and why we need more offspring, it goes into thinking that genetics are based on percentages, or is a probability game.

ie breeding a carried trait with a carried trait:
25% offspring has nothing (1 in 4)
50% offspring has carried trait (2 in 4)
25% offspring has visible trait (1 in 4)


So say your 6carry male x 6carry female combo was all you can muster.
You're going to want to try for that 1 in 4 chance that a trait comes out visibly.
That raises 25% to the 6th power (.25^6)...which iss .0002...less than 1% chance your offspring will come out 6vis from a 6carry x 6carry couple.

But there's some luck in it, people have gotten 6vis from a 6carry x 6carry.
Or people have used 4vis2carry or 3vis3carry, bred them together (better chances of getting a vis), and gotten 6vis from that.

But most of it comes from multiple tries, or using the most optimal offspring from a bunch of breeding with each other. To keep trying for a small percentage, more outcomes are needed.

For random example, say out of every 100 breedings, you get 1 6vis pet. Or something.
1/100 = 1%. You have a 1% chance of getting a 6vis.
Still doesn't guarantee you get the 6vis after 99 breedings either.

If you ran a random number generator between 1 and 100, and you needed the number 1 to win, in theory, it should take a lot of generations to get to 1.
That's why females are needed. Pretend each "generated number" between 1-100 are offspring, and each time you click "Generate", you breed a male and female together.

If you have only 2 females, you can only click "generate" 2 times, for 2 tries at getting offspring. If you have 4 females, you get 4 tries. Ten females, 10 tries.

All in all, it'd be easier to get that 1% chance of getting a 6vis if you had more females.

I'll stop adding on to this post, I'm sorry. >__<
Edited By Flute on 11/18/2014 at 12:56 AM.
Diaveborn
Level 60
The Artistic
Joined: 5/16/2013
Threads: 43
Posts: 651
Posted: 11/18/2014 at 1:53 AM Post #3
@Flute
Thanks for the answer - neat to think about stuff in detail like that.
Edited By Diaveborn on 11/18/2014 at 1:54 AM.
Yumi123
Level 60
The Kind-Hearted
Joined: 12/19/2012
Threads: 26
Posts: 967
Posted: 11/18/2014 at 2:12 AM Post #4
Oh, Jezus. I think I understand what you're saying for when both mates are owned by you, but I'm still thinking about breeding with other user's females. I think I get it, though. No matter how things are viewed, that recovery time is always there, but having more females than males still increases egg production. Yes?
Flute
Level 70
Joined: 1/12/2013
Threads: 340
Posts: 12,946
Posted: 11/18/2014 at 2:18 AM Post #5
I suppose that owning your own female is better than competing with others on who breeds with the female first. o:
Also, by owning the most optimal females (or in this example, any gender with desirable traits) in a genepool, you can gain the advantage of being able to produce optimal eggs.
(ie say you owned a wheel pet, like there's only 10 dark spirit walker ryoris in existence, and yours is the only one with star runes (and everyone wants star runes); if you bred your star runes and made sure not to have anyone else breed with your pet, you hold a monopoly on star rune DSW ryori)

But, yep, you're right. Having more females will increase egg production. c:
Roseydove
Level 71
The Dreamer
Joined: 3/4/2014
Threads: 24
Posts: 452
Posted: 11/18/2014 at 10:49 AM Post #6
All the things Flute said XD


Egg production is definitely one of the reasons females are worth more. Especially the fabled pets which take twice as long to recover.

If you have 20 males and one female (of a fabled species in particular), you'll only get one egg per 6 days max no matter what.

If you have 20 females and one male, you can get 20 eggs max per 6 days. :P
Yumi123
Level 60
The Kind-Hearted
Joined: 12/19/2012
Threads: 26
Posts: 967
Posted: 11/18/2014 at 11:25 AM Post #7
Ah Okay, so when you have the females, you have control over that limiting factor. I'd never thought about that being a positive...
 
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