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Forum Index > Suggestion Box > Pet Stat: Confusing Sentence
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Kivoichi
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 1:50 PM Post #1
So I was just looking at my pet's Proficiencies Page, and I checked how much it would raise my Health on Yin. It wrote:

"Based on the Pet's current Level, this will increase its Health by 7,770."

And I'm here being like, wow, it's going to increase it's health by 7,770?! But then, I realized that instead of raising it BY 7,770, it raised it TO 7,770. So..I thought you could fix this. Perhaps write how much Health it actually raises?

Please tell me if I'm missing anything, because my English understanding can be extremely bad sometime xD
Scathreoite
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 5:30 PM Post #2
it... says what it means. it gives the pet a bonus of X amount of HP. That's how the proficiency points work.

You can check if you want- if you hover over the /_____ in the pet's HP bar (current/total (base + bonus) x%) it'll give a stat breakdown (also works with all the other stats aside from mana)

Here's our Vanguard's for example


She has one HP prof point, and is lv75, so her prof bonus is 7580. But her HP, as you can seem is 18248.
Minochrome
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 6:36 PM Post #3
They're referring to the text blurb you get when hovering over the spot for adding one point to health.





This is misleading.



let's say my pet has 100 HP.

I choose the proficiency because it says it'll increase it BY 200 points. The blurb implies my pet's new health will be 300. If the health increases to 200 instead, which is NOT implied by the blurb, it's understandably confusing.


"This will increase its health TO 200" would get rid of that confusion.
Edited By Minochrome on 11/16/2021 at 6:39 PM.
Scathreoite
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 7:07 PM Post #4
No?? It will increase its health by exactly the amount it says it will.
That is how the prof points work
If it says you'll get +300 to your stat, you'll get +300 to your stat

Here's Vanguard's prof page HP popup (which is admittedly the same as any other lv75's but I was already using her as an example so):


And again, her HP breakdown:
Her base HP is 1200 +0
From her level, she gets +2440 (with other stats it'd just be +(#equal to level), so with str for example, she just gets +75, but HP is Buffed up because, well, it's HP and so has differernt scaling calculations)

So Base + Lv bonus = 3640

From her items she gets + 7028 (relic, 1088, armor, 2700, bracer 1, 1620, bracer 2, 1620)

so base + lv bonus + items = 10668

and then prof points- as you can see, she's lv75 and has one HP prof point, so it gives +7580

base + lv bonus + items + Prof = 18248


Or we could look at her str, or agi
Her base strength = 79 +0
level bonus= +75
= 154
equips are +714 (109+137+209+259)
= 868
and then her 3 Str prof points give her +853
to = 1,721
Edited By Scathreoite on 11/16/2021 at 7:08 PM.
Kivoichi
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 7:55 PM Post #5
That's weird, because when I added Health to Yin, it wasn't like that.
What happened to me was exactly as @Kitten404 said.

I remember BEFORE adding the health Prof, Yin's Health was somewhere around 7000. Now I hover over the Health Stat button and it said that on Health Prof Rank 2, it'll increase its Health by 7,770. I did the quick math and realized that this will take my pet to around 15000 Health! That's even more than my Tank. So now I click + and saved the points. I look back to my health bar, and now it's around 12,000 Health. This added only around 5,000 health.

I don't see if I'm missing anything else :\
Scathreoite
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 8:19 PM Post #6
Did Yin already have a prof point in HP? because looking at his stat breakdown, with no HP profs, his HP would be 3849, with one HP prof, it'd be 9029?
I'm assuming this is the case; that you looked at his one hp prof boosted 9k hp, saw that tier two hp prof boost was 7770, and didn't account that it would be that his tier 1 boost would be getting upgraded to the tier 2 boost, not keeping the tier 1 boost and adding the tier 2 boost on top of that?
Edited By Scathreoite on 11/16/2021 at 8:20 PM.
Mikazukichan
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 8:29 PM Post #7
Were you, perhaps, adding a second or third point to the health proficiency? Because that would mean that the pet's health was already increased by a certain amount from the prior proficiency levels. The increase is not cumulative. For example, in Kitten's example:

If the base health is 100, and the first tier of proficiency gives +400, then the pet will have 500 hp. When upgrading to tier two, it will be the 100 base health plus the upgraded proficiency of +600 giving the pet 700 hp. It is not 100 base + 400 tier one + 600 tier two. It is just an increase of whatever the highest tier you have is.

Edit: And.... Scath beat me to the explanation XD
Edited By Mikazukichan on 11/16/2021 at 8:29 PM.
Kivoichi
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 8:38 PM Post #8
Ah, so that is what happens. Now it's clear..I think they should, however, either put a note about the Profs someplace, or that they just actually add more health. Instead of adding 7000, just put in 5000. That makes understanding easier.
Scathreoite
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 10:24 PM Post #9
I'm not following the phrasing of "or that they just actually add more health. Instead of adding 7000, just put in 5000."? (for one thing, the boost between Yin's hp1 and hp2 is 2590 points of HP, not 5k)
is it a suggestion that it would, say, instead of showing "this will increase its (stat) by X" it would be "you get +Y increase to (stat) (in addition to previous ranks)"?
(as it is, previous ranks grey out, showing that they aren't active)

...
Maybe altering the wording at the bottom of the prof popups so instead of saying "Additionally, the bonus increases with each additional rank of this proficiency" to "Additionally, the bonus upgrades with each additional rank of this proficiency and is not cumulative" or something like it? Do you think that might help?
Edited By Scathreoite on 11/16/2021 at 10:28 PM.
Kivoichi
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Posted: 11/16/2021 at 10:33 PM Post #10
Yes, yes, that.

Either way would work..it just got extremely confusing. :\
 
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